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Title: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 04:40:19 AM
I'm interested in seeing who likes/minds/doesn't like/can't stand gutteral vocals aka growling.

Personally, I used to not like it, but I gradually come to not mind it and now I like it - when it fits the music, it basically stemmed from me hearing bands which I liked the music of, but they growling. I kept listening for the music and gradually liked growling.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2008, 04:53:17 AM
For me it's not a matter of whether or not I like grolwing in general. Much like sung vocals, for me it's whether I like those particular vocals. In general I don't listen to growling stuff. I don't particularly have a problem with growling, but most of the time I think of it as them having a crap singer.
But there are a few instances where I have no problem at all with the death roars. Arch Enemy are one of my favourite bands and I love the vocals on their music. Opeth are also fine.
So although generally growling isn't something I listen to or seek out, I always give the band a chance before making my choice.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 05:06:57 AM
Well said :)

Even if I do not like Arch Enemies last two albums  :sadpanda


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2008, 05:35:18 AM
Well said :)

Even if I do not like Arch Enemies last two albums  :sadpanda

Doomsday Machine had several cool songs on it still, and Rise Of The Tyrant is truly a return to glory. I WILL LIVE AGAIN!!! :metal


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: xoxoch on March 16, 2008, 07:05:51 AM
Well said :)


agreed  :)

I find songs which switch between growling and normal singing quite intriguing; see e.g. opeth


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: VFS on March 16, 2008, 07:33:34 AM
Hate that stuff. I don't even get a chance to consider it from a thoughtful point of view, my gut reaction is "fight or flight", I immediately feel scared and my eyes get tears prickling behind them and my heart beats faster when I hear that stuff.

It sounds like demons and frightens me, and I won't listen to anything with those vocals for that reason.

Much as I LOVE Opeth's "Damnation" I can't listen to anything else by them because it's not pretty or comforting  or touching or otherwise artistic to me, it's just loud and painful and spiritually painful to deal with.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: nimrod on March 16, 2008, 07:39:14 AM
Much as I LOVE Opeth's "Damnation" I can't listen to anything else by them because it's not pretty or comforting  or touching or otherwise artistic to me, it's just loud and painful and spiritually painful to deal with.

This. I appreciate the skill involved but I really can't see why anyone would want to listen to anything that's so depressing. I gave it a chance and listened to a fair amount but I've come to the conclusion that it's not for me.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: the shredmaster on March 16, 2008, 07:56:30 AM
I have no problem with them, Opeth are one of my favourite bands.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: veronica on March 16, 2008, 08:31:49 AM
This. I appreciate the skill involved but I really can't see why anyone would want to listen to anything that's so depressing.
Huh. I never felt like Opeth was depressing, not at all! But yeah, I can understand why you don't want to listen to the when that's the feeling you get.
For me it's not a matter of whether or not I like grolwing in general. Much like sung vocals, for me it's whether I like those particular vocals.
I feel the same way.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 08:48:11 AM
Much as I LOVE Opeth's "Damnation" I can't listen to anything else by them because it's not pretty or comforting  or touching or otherwise artistic to me, it's just loud and painful and spiritually painful to deal with.

This. I appreciate the skill involved but I really can't see why anyone would want to listen to anything that's so depressing. I gave it a chance and listened to a fair amount but I've come to the conclusion that it's not for me.

Says the person who has a Porcupine Tree signature and avatar. riiiiiiiiiiiight.

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Doomsday Machine had several cool songs on it still, and Rise Of The Tyrant is truly a return to glory. I WILL LIVE AGAIN!!! :metal

Okay yeh, Doomsday Machine had a couple of cool songs, but Rise of the Tyrant ... I dunno, I've heard it 3 times now and /nothing/ has stuck in my head - nothing's memorable to me :(

On the other hand, Anthems and Wages are two of the most awesome albums of melodeath ever :D


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: nimrod on March 16, 2008, 08:51:24 AM
Much as I LOVE Opeth's "Damnation" I can't listen to anything else by them because it's not pretty or comforting  or touching or otherwise artistic to me, it's just loud and painful and spiritually painful to deal with.

This. I appreciate the skill involved but I really can't see why anyone would want to listen to anything that's so depressing. I gave it a chance and listened to a fair amount but I've come to the conclusion that it's not for me.

Says the person who has a Porcupine Tree signature and avatar. riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Are you implying PT are depressing? Btw DT have their place in my avatar :P


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 08:54:55 AM
Much as I LOVE Opeth's "Damnation" I can't listen to anything else by them because it's not pretty or comforting  or touching or otherwise artistic to me, it's just loud and painful and spiritually painful to deal with.

This. I appreciate the skill involved but I really can't see why anyone would want to listen to anything that's so depressing. I gave it a chance and listened to a fair amount but I've come to the conclusion that it's not for me.

Says the person who has a Porcupine Tree signature and avatar. riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Are you implying PT are depressing? Btw DT have their place in my avatar :P

I'm implying that PT are more depressing that Opeth ever are. I don't personally find either depressing, but let's have a look at some lyrics. Or track names.

Hell, In Absentia is an album all about rapists and serial killers.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: nimrod on March 16, 2008, 09:00:42 AM
I'm implying that PT are more depressing that Opeth ever are. I don't personally find either depressing, but let's have a look at some lyrics. Or track names.

Hell, In Absentia is an album all about rapists and serial killers.

Death growls will always be more depressing for me than singing about rapists. Personal opinion ;)


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 09:02:42 AM
I'm implying that PT are more depressing that Opeth ever are. I don't personally find either depressing, but let's have a look at some lyrics. Or track names.

Hell, In Absentia is an album all about rapists and serial killers.

Death growls will always be more depressing for me than singing about rapists. Personal opinion ;)

Fair enough, I find them far too aggressive and brutal to be depressing :metal


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: axeman9182 on March 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
can't stand them, they make my ears sad


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: faemir on March 16, 2008, 02:41:12 PM
Even on The Human Equation? <3


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: nimrod on March 16, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
Even on The Human Equation? <3

That is the only album I can stand them on, sorry I forgot to mention that before :hat


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 16, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
My deal is "for effect."  I love death growls when used sparsely to create a specific effect.  For example, Arjen Lucassen knows exactly how they should be used.

Opeth I can listen to because it's not entirely growling.  But it's saddening to me that Opeth growls so much because Akerfeldt's clean voice is fantastic. 

Then there's stuff like In Flames.  The growling isn't too bad.  But I don't understand why they feel the need to do almost entirely death growls, when more melodic clean singing would match some of their great music better.

And then there's stuff like Between the Buried and Me.  It's senseless and it's horrible to listen to.  The growls sound awful.  It's some of the worst shit I've ever had the privilege of calling shit.

*braces for flaming*


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 17, 2008, 09:00:54 AM
Haha, no I won't flame you, don't worry, I don't even really listen to any of those bands. For me, I like that nice, strong, CLEAR voice when singing. I enjoy range, but even if a vocalist has restricted range I still like to listen to their projection and tone, etc. I used to be into the growling, and like most of you, I still can stand it for effect every now and then, but I don't enjoy it much anymore.

The thing I hate the most about the growling isn't the fact that I am listening to it; I usually just listen to the music anyway and put the vocals completely out of my mind (I can't sing along with them, so what's the point in paying attention, right?) but the worst part is the fact that I feel ashamed to be associated with it. I feel like its almost a sterotype for metal, and its typically seen as "unmusical" to people who don't listen to metal, and I kinda feel it degrades metal a bit because a lot of people assume metal isn't musical, which obviously isn't true. (run on sentence haha). So anyway, while I can look past the vocals, I just feel all squirmy and can't focus if I am listening to something like that and I just won't to turn it off because I just feel stupid when listening to it and someone is around who doesn't like it or who is judging it. But prog tends to (or at least most of the prog I listen to) have those "nice" vocals that I love, so I'm content  ;D


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2008, 09:05:19 AM
Haha, no I won't flame you, don't worry, I don't even really listen to any of those bands. For me, I like that nice, strong, CLEAR voice when singing. I enjoy range, but even if a vocalist has restricted range I still like to listen to their projection and tone, etc. I used to be into the growling, and like most of you, I still can stand it for effect every now and then, but I don't enjoy it much anymore.

The thing I hate the most about the growling isn't the fact that I am listening to it; I usually just listen to the music anyway and put the vocals completely out of my mind (I can't sing along with them, so what's the point in paying attention, right?) but the worst part is the fact that I feel ashamed to be associated with it. I feel like its almost a sterotype for metal, and its typically seen as "unmusical" to people who don't listen to metal, and I kinda feel it degrades metal a bit because a lot of people assume metal isn't musical, which obviously isn't true. (run on sentence haha). So anyway, while I can look past the vocals, I just feel all squirmy and can't focus if I am listening to something like that and I just won't to turn it off because I just feel stupid when listening to it and someone is around who doesn't like it or who is judging it. But prog tends to (or at least most of the prog I listen to) have those "nice" vocals that I love, so I'm content  ;D

You don't like listening to death metal because you'll feel stupid that other people don't like it and judge it - so you listen to prog

irony :lol


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 17, 2008, 11:18:11 AM
Haha, no I won't flame you, don't worry, I don't even really listen to any of those bands. For me, I like that nice, strong, CLEAR voice when singing. I enjoy range, but even if a vocalist has restricted range I still like to listen to their projection and tone, etc. I used to be into the growling, and like most of you, I still can stand it for effect every now and then, but I don't enjoy it much anymore.

The thing I hate the most about the growling isn't the fact that I am listening to it; I usually just listen to the music anyway and put the vocals completely out of my mind (I can't sing along with them, so what's the point in paying attention, right?) but the worst part is the fact that I feel ashamed to be associated with it. I feel like its almost a sterotype for metal, and its typically seen as "unmusical" to people who don't listen to metal, and I kinda feel it degrades metal a bit because a lot of people assume metal isn't musical, which obviously isn't true. (run on sentence haha). So anyway, while I can look past the vocals, I just feel all squirmy and can't focus if I am listening to something like that and I just won't to turn it off because I just feel stupid when listening to it and someone is around who doesn't like it or who is judging it. But prog tends to (or at least most of the prog I listen to) have those "nice" vocals that I love, so I'm content  ;D

That's why I only listen to death metal with headphones on or when nobody else is home.  That way nobody can be all, "What devil-worship-music are you listening to?"


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Nick on March 17, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
I generally can't stand growling or screaming, however in small doses it can be effective for certain thing. However the bottom line is any album with growling or screaming as a primary vocal won't be that great in my book.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 17, 2008, 12:15:58 PM
Haha, no I won't flame you, don't worry, I don't even really listen to any of those bands. For me, I like that nice, strong, CLEAR voice when singing. I enjoy range, but even if a vocalist has restricted range I still like to listen to their projection and tone, etc. I used to be into the growling, and like most of you, I still can stand it for effect every now and then, but I don't enjoy it much anymore.

The thing I hate the most about the growling isn't the fact that I am listening to it; I usually just listen to the music anyway and put the vocals completely out of my mind (I can't sing along with them, so what's the point in paying attention, right?) but the worst part is the fact that I feel ashamed to be associated with it. I feel like its almost a sterotype for metal, and its typically seen as "unmusical" to people who don't listen to metal, and I kinda feel it degrades metal a bit because a lot of people assume metal isn't musical, which obviously isn't true. (run on sentence haha). So anyway, while I can look past the vocals, I just feel all squirmy and can't focus if I am listening to something like that and I just won't to turn it off because I just feel stupid when listening to it and someone is around who doesn't like it or who is judging it. But prog tends to (or at least most of the prog I listen to) have those "nice" vocals that I love, so I'm content  ;D

You don't like listening to death metal because you'll feel stupid that other people don't like it and judge it - so you listen to prog

irony :lol

 :lol Yeah, I think your right! But I think I also came across wrong a little. What I mean is that while I can ignore and look past it, other people can't and I guess it looks like I am listening to it (and liking it) when I'm not? And yeah, your right about prog being hated and judged, but I stand my ground with prog!  :yarr


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: rorororo on March 18, 2008, 03:40:22 PM
Haha, no I won't flame you, don't worry, I don't even really listen to any of those bands. For me, I like that nice, strong, CLEAR voice when singing. I enjoy range, but even if a vocalist has restricted range I still like to listen to their projection and tone, etc. I used to be into the growling, and like most of you, I still can stand it for effect every now and then, but I don't enjoy it much anymore.

The thing I hate the most about the growling isn't the fact that I am listening to it; I usually just listen to the music anyway and put the vocals completely out of my mind (I can't sing along with them, so what's the point in paying attention, right?) but the worst part is the fact that I feel ashamed to be associated with it. I feel like its almost a sterotype for metal, and its typically seen as "unmusical" to people who don't listen to metal, and I kinda feel it degrades metal a bit because a lot of people assume metal isn't musical, which obviously isn't true. (run on sentence haha). So anyway, while I can look past the vocals, I just feel all squirmy and can't focus if I am listening to something like that and I just won't to turn it off because I just feel stupid when listening to it and someone is around who doesn't like it or who is judging it. But prog tends to (or at least most of the prog I listen to) have those "nice" vocals that I love, so I'm content  ;D

That's why I only listen to death metal with headphones on or when nobody else is home.  That way nobody can be all, "What devil-worship-music are you listening to?"
Genuine question: why do you care AT ALL what other people may think of you listening to a certain genre of music ???

And, for the record, I love harsh vocals, although I can understand why people don't like them.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 18, 2008, 04:26:37 PM
Your right, I shouldn't. But that doesn't change the fact that I do. To me, I always like to be understood. And by listening to music with growls in it, when I ignore them, but other people think I am listening to music with "growls" in it, I always feel like I have to say "no no no, I'm listening to the MUSIC not THAT" which can be frustrating. For MOST things, I don't care what people think, but at least with growl stuff I feel that people are looking at me the wrong way, for the wrong reason, for something I don't even enjoy. I wouldn't care if people looked at me funny for listening to prog, in fact if they said anything, I'd rant on about how its better (musically) than most music they probably listen to. But with something I don't like, I feel no inclination to stick up for it, and feel like I have to explain myself, because like the rest of us, I like to be respected. I just think prog is very respectible, so I just dismiss it as a different opinion if someone dislikes prog. But since I don't respect growl vocals (or at least when all there are is growls, especially shitty growls) its almost like I agree with a person when they disrespect me for listening to that kind of music.

But like I said, the music behind the "all growls" music can sometimes be quite good, I just don't like the growls. 


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 18, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
Genuine question: why do you care AT ALL what other people may think of you listening to a certain genre of music ???

Because I have to live with them.  I need to get along with them, and playing death metal is not a good way to get along with people who don't enjoy or understand it.

Also because I'm not exactly self-sufficient and I often need a ride somewhere.  People where I live are far more likely to do a favor for me if the think I'm not worshipping Satan. :D

Also I don't want people to worry about me.  I hate being worried about.  So since I tend to be very introverted and somewhat moody, playing death metal could send the message to well-meaning idiots that I'm about to go off the deep end or something.  The last thing I need is somebody knocking on my door and being all, "Listen, I've been worried about you lately.  Are you okay?"  Because quite honestly, mislead charity pisses me off and actually makes me less okay. :rant

Whoa.  I didn't expect that to turn into a rant at all, but lookee, it sure did. :hat


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: LudwigVan on March 18, 2008, 05:43:45 PM
I guess it depends on the context because somehow, the music's got to make up for the constant mono-tone RORORO.  Otherwise it just gets to be a boring wall of sound.   Styles like Amorphis, Opeth, Dark Tranquility and Agalloch are just fine.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: rorororo on March 19, 2008, 10:17:08 AM
Genuine question: why do you care AT ALL what other people may think of you listening to a certain genre of music ???

Because I have to live with them.  I need to get along with them, and playing death metal is not a good way to get along with people who don't enjoy or understand it.

Also because I'm not exactly self-sufficient and I often need a ride somewhere.  People where I live are far more likely to do a favor for me if the think I'm not worshipping Satan. :D

Also I don't want people to worry about me.  I hate being worried about.  So since I tend to be very introverted and somewhat moody, playing death metal could send the message to well-meaning idiots that I'm about to go off the deep end or something.  The last thing I need is somebody knocking on my door and being all, "Listen, I've been worried about you lately.  Are you okay?"  Because quite honestly, mislead charity pisses me off and actually makes me less okay. :rant

Whoa.  I didn't expect that to turn into a rant at all, but lookee, it sure did. :hat
I'm glad I don't know people like the ones you know then, because if someone I knew potentially stopped liking me because of the music I listen to, I'd imagine I'd be better off without them.

Also, you say it as if listening to death metal means that you have to force it down people's throats (that's what it sounds like, despite whether I'm right or wrong). I generally listen to death metal through my headphones, and not out loud, but that's only because I know my family and some of my friends don't like it, so I feel uncomfortable 'subjecting' them to it. But by no means have I ever stopped listening to music just because people around me don't like it.
    It seems you don't listen to it because you don't want people to think you're 'weird' or whatever else. I guess that's all to do with where/who you grow up with though.

Actually, I suppose you're just on a higher 'uncomfortable' level than I am. 


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 19, 2008, 12:38:06 PM
Actually, I suppose you're just on a higher 'uncomfortable' level than I am. 

That's what I'd prefer to call it, too.   :P


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Zook on March 23, 2008, 08:38:43 PM
I hate death growls. They ruin the music for me. I can't listen to Opeth because of this. I like stuff like Stone Sour (Corey Taylor doesn't sound like a whiney bitch like most mainstream bands), but when Cookie Monster makes a guest appearance in music, all is lost.


Title: Re: Gutteral vocals - do you like them?
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
I hate death growls. They ruin the music for me. I can't listen to Opeth because of this. I like stuff like Stone Sour (Corey Taylor doesn't sound like a whiney bitch like most mainstream bands), but when Cookie Monster makes a guest appearance in music, all is lost.

My opinion has changed a bit regarding this topic.

I can tolerate some Opeth songs, and I really like Into Eternity. I guess they just do it right for me.

Why am I resurrecting this? Because I just remembered this forum existed. ;D