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Title: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 18, 2008, 04:22:58 AM
As VFS can tell you, I was reluctant to have a forum at all on my new page. This was mainly due to the many years I have watched how people of the various forums mis-use the power of the written word(that somehow makes people think whatever is written is true because they see it in print) like the one I read on the JP forum where some guy made up this TOTALLY fabricated story about how I threw him out of the sound check at the Croatia "DT/DOMINICI" show last summer. I was appalled! Anyone who knows me would know that it would be TOTALLY out of my character to have done that, not to mention impossible since it was not my show,it was a DT show. Only DT can throw anyone out. Anyway,many people immediately responded with comments like"what a shame,it's too bad when famoue people act this way" and blah,blah,blah "what in idiot Charlie is".Well many other times I have seen this kind of misuse of power by pea-brained users of these forums(present company excluded,of course ). I then realized that I do not need to stoop to their level and even gratify them with a response. Then again,I am a hot blooded Italian(Sicilian to be exact,even worse) so I sometimes cannot contain my emotions when I see stuff like that. My point is,I do not like rules,and I really want this forum to be a place where people can share ideas and such but I will not tolerate any personal attacks,true or otherwise and I do not wish to see this become a place where people try to either defend or refute other peoples beliefs,religious or otherwise. In other words, no pea-brained bickering PLEASE!
Which brings me to a point that I feel a need to address for the record.
My trilogy is a sci-fi thriller, not unlike the movies:"Independence Day,Star Wars,Star Trek" etc.
I am not trying to say that there is no God,(although If I'm not mistaken ,I do have a right to express my beliefs as well  because although I may be in Europe right now I am an American citizen and damn proud of it and the FREEDOM OF SPEECH that comes with it,thanks to my many brave fighting brothers who are willing to die to preserve that right for me)I am not trying to blaspheme any religion,including but not limited to Christian,Catholic,Muslim,Buddhist,Mormon or any of the other numerous dogmatic ritualistic archaic beliefs that are causing the eventual destuction of my world  right now AS WE SPEAK, not that it might give me the right to speak out about it or anything,right? YEA, RIGHT!
To all those who got their panties in an uproar over the lyrics of part 3  I have this to say.
You should be much more concerned about the sex scandles and other ruinous behaviour of your so-called "religious" leaders than you seem to be about my totally fictional piece of musical entertainment.
Hello??? McFly??? :d'oh:
CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: VFS on March 18, 2008, 04:32:42 AM
Regarding this quote:

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My point is,I do not like rules,and I really want this forum to be a place where people can share ideas and such but I will not tolerate and personal attacks,true or otherwise and I do not wish to see this become a place where people try to either defend or refute other peoples beliefs,religious or otherwise. In other words, no pea-brained bickering PLEASE!

I'd just like to re-iterate this part of The Rules for all members to remain fully conscious of:

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Insults or senseless bashing of the band members of Dominici and/or their music will not be tolerated.  Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.

...

This is, first and foremost, an online community for Dominici fans.  As such, respect for the band, the forum community, and your fellow posters are our paramount concern. 

I'm sure we will have no problems here with the high quality of posters we've so far attracted, but I'd be remiss in not mentioning it.

</public service announcement>


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 18, 2008, 05:02:22 AM
Thanks VFS! I want to share something very personal with you all. My dear departed Sicilian mom,in her infinite wisdom had a little creed that she lived by.
What she always used to say was:
"You be nice and I'll be nice"
As simple and obvious as it might seem on the surface, it took me years to understand it.
I could see the implications(read between the lines) What she was also saying was if you are not nice,you are going to be in a world of hurt!
The biggest impact this little "creed" has had on my life was this. I eventually realized that this was the whole problem in the entire world! Humans have trouble just being "nice" to each other. Respect,honor,generosity seem to be qualities that are becoming more and more scarce on the entire planet each day.I was a teen in the late sixties. We also had a creed.
"If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem" was our battle cry!
We were hippies then. Unfortunately,most of those same revolutionaries later went on to become Wall St. execs and the like (Abbie Hoffman for one). I am very much an activist still and probably more today than ever. You will notice as you see more and more of what I am trying to do with my music and lyrics just how much of a soldier I still am for this great cause.
It is quite a burden sometimes because it is so much easier to just be "part of the problem".
I just wanted to give you all this little insight into my motivations in case you want to bail out of our little "Cult of  the New Revolution" as I am tempted to call it. "The Beatles" and John Lennon tried to change the world. I intend to finish the job.
"Join The Fight"!!!

 :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Cecilia on March 18, 2008, 05:29:38 AM
Sicilians are hot (geez I'm such a horndog)!

Well said Charlie!
I think that people make up crap because they are bored with their lives and want to see what harsh effectes they have on people.

I really like this forum with all of our members. It's actually one of my favorite forums.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: xoxoch on March 18, 2008, 05:44:18 AM
I agree with Cecilia, well spoken, Charlie.  :metal

In fact this is the only forum I've ever bothered to really participate. I've been lurking around mp.com for 5 years now, and I have like just a little over 100 posts. Y'all guys (oh no, the louisina girl comes through) are great and it is very rewarding to post here.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Cecilia on March 18, 2008, 06:31:24 AM
I've been lurking around mp.com for 5 years now, and I have like just a little over 100 posts.

Oh man, on the other hand, I've been posting for 5 years now, and have like just a little less than 8,000 posts.  :lol


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: karpatisz on March 18, 2008, 07:47:54 AM
What a s...t speech. I heard Dominici - O3 Part 2 live in Budapest. It was awesome. Some people said after that gig Dominici's show was much better the DT's. So I don't understand what's happening at that man's head who said these bad words.   :monkeygirl:


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 18, 2008, 08:30:33 AM
Yea,hehe..I guess it's no secret that we plan to give DT a run for their money as well. You know,It's not only all about how fast you can play or how high you can sing. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way ragging on or trying to belittle DT. They are awesome!
However, we have something a little-wait actually a LOT different. Some people just have one dimentional thinking and are unable to see it. Kudos to all of my forum guys and gals for being able to lift the veil from their ears and minds and see it! Unlike some of the other forum residents elswhere on the net, I am sure that you guys are able to appreciate BOTH bands along with our other great  prog-metal brothers!
HAIL TO PROG METAL!

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 18, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
... It's not only all about ... how high you can sing...

Sometimes when I'm listening to headphones on a flight I sing along... that's probalby that highest I've ever sang.

:tard:


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: xoxoch on March 18, 2008, 12:07:02 PM
I am sure that you guys are able to appreciate BOTH bands along with our other great  prog-metal brothers!
HAIL TO PROG METAL!

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 18, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
So...I just want to try a little experiment here.  

Phantasmatron, you're a fucking prick.  Go kill yourself.

Okay, so will I get banned for that, since it's technically a personal attack? :P

...

Anyway, hopefully because of Charlie's statements in this thread and some of the moderators on DTF we can put this whole DTF/Dominici inter-forum drama behind us.  :metal




Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 18, 2008, 12:21:43 PM
So...I just want to try a little experiment here.  

Phantasmatron, you're a fucking prick.  Go kill yourself.

Okay, so will I get banned for that, since it's technically a personal attack? :P

...

Anyway, hopefully because of Charlie's statements in this thread and some of the moderators on DTF we can put this whole DTF/Dominici inter-forum drama behind us.  :metal



No actually ragging on yourself is not only permitted,it is encouraged! It is the first step to self improvement!
I am sometimes the biggest asshole I know,but at lease I know what I'm talking about when I say that!
 :yarr


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 18, 2008, 12:22:42 PM
Awesome!  A free pass to make fun of myself!   :tup


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 18, 2008, 03:13:10 PM
Yeah, I am also a proud member of this forum. I've been a member of two forums in my life, and one was madatory since it was when a custom guitar of mine was being built  :lol So this is my first ever "time-waster" forum, which I enjoy wasting time on!

Addressing the "people are assholes" thing, its true, but especially true on the internet. Cyber interaction seems to give some people a gateway to become a "god" that can destroy anyone, so they can say whatever they want, to whoever they want, and that little mental "asshole" filter, is removed completely. I am glad people on these forums are so sophisticated, and encourage one another. I mean, we all have our differences in opinions, and sure, we damn well joke, but I'm glad no one means open harm (though I think Charlie might have with his spanking threats haha) and we all get a long like one big, weird family!  :hug

But seriously, not just to Charlie, but to ANYONE, don't let jerks (especially "cyber" jerks) bring you down. Thats all they are, is jerks. Half the time they couldn't tie their shoes any better than they can fire off insults or make up stories. At least here we can all gang up and stomp those juvinille assholes!  :bagelbill


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 18, 2008, 03:15:55 PM
Yeah, I am also a proud member of this forum. I've been a member of two forums in my life, and one was madatory since it was when a custom guitar of mine was being built  :lol So this is my first ever "time-waster" forum, which I enjoy wasting time on!

Addressing the "people are assholes" thing, its true, but especially true on the internet. Cyber interaction seems to give some people a gateway to become a "god" that can destroy anyone, so they can say whatever they want, to whoever they want, and that little mental "asshole" filter, is removed completely. I am glad people on these forums are so sophisticated, and encourage one another. I mean, we all have our differences in opinions, and sure, we damn well joke, but I'm glad no one means open harm (though I think Charlie might have with his spanking threats haha) and we all get a long like one big, weird family!  :hug

But seriously, not just to Charlie, but to ANYONE, don't let jerks (especially "cyber" jerks) bring you down. Thats all they are, is jerks. Half the time they couldn't tie their shoes any better than they can fire off insults or make up stories. At least here we can all gang up and stomp those juvinille assholes!  :bagelbill
like I said in my last post,I want my more intelligent forum members to enjoy a higher quality experience here. We will take steps to squash the mosquito brains.
CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: nimrod on March 18, 2008, 04:25:19 PM
VE VILL CRUSH ZEM!




 :blob:


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 19, 2008, 10:33:27 AM
Anyway,many people immediately responded with comments like"what a shame,it's too bad when famoue people act this way" and blah,blah,blah "what in idiot Charlie is".Well many other times I have seen this kind of misuse of power by pea-brained users of these forums(present company excluded,of course ). I then realized that I do not need to stoop to their level and even gratify them with a response. Then again,I am a hot blooded Italian(Sicilian to be exact,even worse) so I sometimes cannot contain my emotions when I see stuff like that. My point is,I do not like rules,and I really want this forum to be a place where people can share ideas and such but I will not tolerate any personal attacks,

My view on the whole DTF dilemma was that maybe it should have been taken care of with PM's instead of in front of the entire DTF community. I'm not going to say that your opinions are wrong (that would be hyporcritical), and I see that you might get angry at times (which I can sympathize with), but that's my 2 cents; that it could've been dealt with more privately.

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My trilogy is a sci-fi thriller, not unlike the movies:"Independence Day,Star Wars,Star Trek" etc.
I am not trying to say that there is no God,(although If I'm not mistaken ,I do have a right to express my beliefs as well  because although I may be in Europe right now I am an American citizen and damn proud of it and the FREEDOM OF SPEECH that comes with it,thanks to my many brave fighting brothers who are willing to die to preserve that right for me)I am not trying to blaspheme any religion,including but not limited to Christian,Catholic,Muslim,Buddhist,Mormon or any of the other numerous dogmatic ritualistic archaic beliefs that are causing the eventual destuction of my world  right now AS WE SPEAK, not that it might give me the right to speak out about it or anything,right? YEA, RIGHT!
To all those who got their panties in an uproar over the lyrics of part 3  I have this to say.
You should be much more concerned about the sex scandles and other ruinous behaviour of your so-called "religious" leaders than you seem to be about my totally fictional piece of musical entertainment.


It's not that I am in "an uproar" so much over the theme of the lyrics. From all the samples of the music I have heard, I can tell you have some great music and singing going. But just like you are not out to intentionally offend anyone with certain beliefs, I cannot intentionally listen to the O3 CD now because of the lyrical theme. Call me crazy, but it would be like me listening to music promoting atheism. But Charlie, it's nothing against you. It's just my beliefs. Like you said in another post, you be nice and I'll be nice. So I'm being nice and offering my view (which is in harmony with bosk1's beliefs) and just letting you see another perspective.

I hope to continue posting here because I do like it here, because I thought it was really nice of you to post at our forum, and the fact that you now have a very nice forum here and it's worth coming to, IMO.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 19, 2008, 11:08:06 AM
Anyway,many people immediately responded with comments like"what a shame,it's too bad when famoue people act this way" and blah,blah,blah "what in idiot Charlie is".Well many other times I have seen this kind of misuse of power by pea-brained users of these forums(present company excluded,of course ). I then realized that I do not need to stoop to their level and even gratify them with a response. Then again,I am a hot blooded Italian(Sicilian to be exact,even worse) so I sometimes cannot contain my emotions when I see stuff like that. My point is,I do not like rules,and I really want this forum to be a place where people can share ideas and such but I will not tolerate any personal attacks,

My view on the whole DTF dilemma was that maybe it should have been taken care of with PM's instead of in front of the entire DTF community. I'm not going to say that your opinions are wrong (that would be hyporcritical), and I see that you might get angry at times (which I can sympathize with), but that's my 2 cents; that it could've been dealt with more privately.
MY response is:

Why should I deal with it privately. Was he keeping his so called "experience" with me private?
He posted this fabricated story for EVERY DT FAN in the forum to see. He has a right to post total BS in public,but I'm suppsoed to deal with it privately? You have some strange sense of justice there,my friend!

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My trilogy is a sci-fi thriller, not unlike the movies:"Independence Day,Star Wars,Star Trek" etc.
I am not trying to say that there is no God,(although If I'm not mistaken ,I do have a right to express my beliefs as well  because although I may be in Europe right now I am an American citizen and damn proud of it and the FREEDOM OF SPEECH that comes with it,thanks to my many brave fighting brothers who are willing to die to preserve that right for me)I am not trying to blaspheme any religion,including but not limited to Christian,Catholic,Muslim,Buddhist,Mormon or any of the other numerous dogmatic ritualistic archaic beliefs that are causing the eventual destuction of my world  right now AS WE SPEAK, not that it might give me the right to speak out about it or anything,right? YEA, RIGHT!
To all those who got their panties in an uproar over the lyrics of part 3  I have this to say.
You should be much more concerned about the sex scandles and other ruinous behaviour of your so-called "religious" leaders than you seem to be about my totally fictional piece of musical entertainment.


It's not that I am in "an uproar" so much over the theme of the lyrics. From all the samples of the music I have heard, I can tell you have some great music and singing going. But just like you are not out to intentionally offend anyone with certain beliefs, I cannot intentionally listen to the O3 CD now because of the lyrical theme. Call me crazy, but it would be like me listening to music promoting atheism. But Charlie, it's nothing against you. It's just my beliefs. Like you said in another post, you be nice and I'll be nice. So I'm being nice and offering my view (which is in harmony with bosk1's beliefs) and just letting you see another perspective.
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My response to you and Bosk1 (or anyone who feels this way)is:

So,you have decided ,quite quickly I might add,that I'm saying there is no God?It is a very narrow minded view to assume that if someone suggests that man was made by something other than some guy in a beard sitting in the clouds,this is denouncing the existence of God. there are many more religions in this world besides yours. They all give God a different name and I have my own ideas about what God is. I certainly think it is very different than what you think God is,but that does not mean I'm saying there is no God. Did it ever occur to you that maybe what I'm saying is that God created the universe and many species long before man came along?People ,especially religious people,always think that man is the center of the universe. Never even considering that if their God is as great as they say he is,why would he limit himself to only one tiny speck of dust called Earth, during  the split second that we call "Time" compared to the infinite amount of "time" that is eternity.Open your mind,if you dare,or you can chose to ostricise yourself and don't bother looking any further into my story,or anyone elses for that matter. It's your loss,my friend and it truly diminishes me.There is one truth out there,but there are hundreds of different claims of what that truth is that are all different.I want to know the truth,not what someone has told me they think is the truth,but that's just me.

(you also said):
I hope to continue posting here because I do like it here, because I thought it was really nice of you to post at our forum, and the fact that you now have a very nice forum here and it's worth coming to, IMO.

You have been very respectful and you seem intelligent,although a little closed minded. You are welcome here. I try not to judge people by where they are in their path of life's learning but rather not judge them at all and hope to see that they are moving forward and I will help them if they want me to,or not,whichever they prefer.I will always reach out to someone who is trying to understand the thing that I sacrificed everything I had in order to bring to them. It's only when I see ignorance and refusal to evolve,mentally and spiritually that I disance my self from someone. Even if that were the case,it would not be in any way a reason we would stop you from posting here.
CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 19, 2008, 11:18:23 AM
Thank you for responding.

About the religious responses: I'm very open-minded, and if you really want, I will talk about the points you made. I've been atheist before. I'm not saying you promote the nonexistence of God; rather, I find it better for my beliefs to refrain from the music you have, but just for that reason, now that I know the story (which, btw, the story was well-thought out otherwise). I know I seem like I am close-minded, but I also search for truth; I just so happen to find truth in the Gospel.  :)

About the issue of privacy: I see your point, so that makes sense to me. It was more of a thought and opinion, but I didn't take your point into consideration.

Much respect to you CD.  :monkeygirl:

jamesman


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: nimrod on March 19, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
I think this whole situation has been discussed enough and it is only detracting from the positive environment this forum has been when we continue to discuss it further. People have made their views clear, Charlie has said what he has said, and a lot of people have made foolish and immature remarks and caused Charlie to respond angrily which I am sure he would prefer not to. I would rather not (and I'm sure some others will agree with me) see this discussed any further.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 19, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
Thank you for responding.

About the religious responses: I'm very open-minded, and if you really want, I will talk about the points you made. I've been atheist before. I'm not saying you promote the nonexistence of God; rather, I find it better for my beliefs to refrain from the music you have, but just for that reason, now that I know the story (which, btw, the story was well-thought out otherwise). I know I seem like I am close-minded, but I also search for truth; I just so happen to find truth in the Gospel.  :)

About the issue of privacy: I see your point, so that makes sense to me. It was more of a thought and opinion, but I didn't take your point into consideration.

Much respect to you CD.  :monkeygirl:

jamesman
Tha's cool. I have met many devout christians in my days here on this planet and I do not wish to try and "convert" you.
If you choose not to listen to the music because of your faith in the "Gospel",that certainly is your prerogative. In the meantime, get out your bible and take a closer look at all the biblical references in my story.Don't be so quick to judge.It's possible that at the ripe old age of 21 or so you may not know everything yet. I'm twice that age and just beginning to see the truth.
Peace!


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 19, 2008, 11:44:28 AM
I think this whole situation has been discussed enough and it is only detracting from the positive environment this forum has been when we continue to discuss it further. People have made their views clear, Charlie has said what he has said, and a lot of people have made foolish and immature remarks and caused Charlie to respond angrily which I am sure he would prefer not to. I would rather not (and I'm sure some others will agree with me) see this discussed any further.
Well, I just wanted to share another viewpoint, and I don't think that's such a bad thing. And I don't agree that the positivity has been brought down; rather, I try not to let one problem affect other great things.

Thank you for responding.

About the religious responses: I'm very open-minded, and if you really want, I will talk about the points you made. I've been atheist before. I'm not saying you promote the nonexistence of God; rather, I find it better for my beliefs to refrain from the music you have, but just for that reason, now that I know the story (which, btw, the story was well-thought out otherwise). I know I seem like I am close-minded, but I also search for truth; I just so happen to find truth in the Gospel.  :)

About the issue of privacy: I see your point, so that makes sense to me. It was more of a thought and opinion, but I didn't take your point into consideration.

Much respect to you CD.  :monkeygirl:

jamesman
Tha's cool. I have met many devout christians in my days here on this planet and I do not wish to try and "convert" you.
If you choose not to listen to the music because of your faith in the "Gospel",that certainly is your prerogative. In the meantime, get out your bible and take a closer look at all the biblical references in my story.Don't be so quick to judge.It's possible that at the ripe old age of 21 or so you may not know everything yet. I'm twice that age and just beginning to see the truth.
Peace!
I seem to change my mind on some subject matter every few days, (not that I am so easily moved), but I do go where the truth takes me. Indeed, my younger age leads me to limited knowledge, so it's very possible that I am being too judgmental. I'll chalk it up to experience, and will ponder on this some more. So I may end up getting your CD, just because of the statement ("look for the biblical references").

Kudos to you for being a great guy. I'm here to stay.  :bagelbill


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 19, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
I think this whole situation has been discussed enough and it is only detracting from the positive environment this forum has been when we continue to discuss it further. People have made their views clear, Charlie has said what he has said, and a lot of people have made foolish and immature remarks and caused Charlie to respond angrily which I am sure he would prefer not to. I would rather not (and I'm sure some others will agree with me) see this discussed any further.
On the contrary,this is exactly what a real forum is supposed to be! People interacting and coming to a greater knowledge by pooling and sharing their ideas and thoughts.
I am even influenced somtimes by others and very often find that I am the one who is being closed minded about something. I love when that happens because that's when I grow!

 :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: nimrod on March 19, 2008, 11:56:28 AM
I think this whole situation has been discussed enough and it is only detracting from the positive environment this forum has been when we continue to discuss it further. People have made their views clear, Charlie has said what he has said, and a lot of people have made foolish and immature remarks and caused Charlie to respond angrily which I am sure he would prefer not to. I would rather not (and I'm sure some others will agree with me) see this discussed any further.
On the contrary,this is exactly what a real forum is supposed to be! People interacting and coming to a greater knowledge by pooling and sharing their ideas and thoughts.
I am even influenced somtimes by others and very often find that I am the one who is being closed minded about something. I love when that happens because that's when I grow!

 :metal

Fair enough, I just don't like the bickering but it looks most of those posts have been deleted now.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 19, 2008, 12:55:22 PM
It's not that I am in "an uproar" so much over the theme of the lyrics. From all the samples of the music I have heard, I can tell you have some great music and singing going. But just like you are not out to intentionally offend anyone with certain beliefs, I cannot intentionally listen to the O3 CD now because of the lyrical theme. Call me crazy, but it would be like me listening to music promoting atheism. But Charlie, it's nothing against you. It's just my beliefs. Like you said in another post, you be nice and I'll be nice. So I'm being nice and offering my view (which is in harmony with bosk1's beliefs) and just letting you see another perspective.

I know I'm not gonna convince you of anything, but I'll just share this thought anyway.

Maybe it's just that I have a different tolerance level for this kind of thing, but O3 is well within the bounds of what I'd consider to be entertainment a theist can enjoy.  It simply offers a different perspective.  I mean, watching "The Ninth Gate" on TV makes me uncomfortable, because you actually get to watch people worshiping Satan.  O3 is nowhere near that.  It may not be pro-God, but it's not something that oooooooozes evil.  It's just a story, really.  I kinda hope you'll reconsider your choice not to listen to Dominici's stuff, but I also respect the fact that you're drawing a line for yourself and closely adhering to your beliefs. 

But I guess the important part is you'll stick around and keep posting.   :tup

Just out of curiosity, though, if the next Dominici album is just a collection of songs that don't make any kind of religious statements, would you buy it?


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 19, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
I know I'm not gonna convince you of anything, but I'll just share this thought anyway.

Maybe it's just that I have a different tolerance level for this kind of thing, but O3 is well within the bounds of what I'd consider to be entertainment a theist can enjoy.  It simply offers a different perspective.  I mean, watching "The Ninth Gate" on TV makes me uncomfortable, because you actually get to watch people worshiping Satan.  O3 is nowhere near that.  It may not be pro-God, but it's not something that oooooooozes evil.  It's just a story, really.  I kinda hope you'll reconsider your choice not to listen to Dominici's stuff, but I also respect the fact that you're drawing a line for yourself and closely adhering to your beliefs. 

I understand all of that. Like I said earlier, with yet another perspective from CD, I may very well consider it. But I'm glad that I'm not being totally bashed for my beliefs. I know Charlie isn't trying to bash anyone or subliminally make fun of any religion, but this is a case where the specifics make for a tough decision, meaning not to listen to it.

Yeah, that does sound really close-minded, but just consider it being cautious, really. Nothing wrong or close-minded with/about that. :)

Just out of curiosity, though, if the next Dominici album is just a collection of songs that don't make any kind of religious statements, would you buy it?
I don't mind so much religious statements, but I know what you mean, and I would definitely buy it (presuming he isn't singing kid's songs or something to that effect).  :blob:


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 19, 2008, 04:16:50 PM
Cool.   :tup


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: charliedominici on March 20, 2008, 02:14:25 AM
You know, it occurs to me that if your beliefs are strong,why would you be so afraid to hear something else?
Sounds rather retro to me, and EXTREMELY closed minded. Reminds me of some of the very dangerous radical  religious groups attitudes.
hmmmmm....SCARY!
 :hmm


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 20, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
You know, it occurs to me that if your beliefs are strong,why would you be so afraid to hear something else?
Sounds rather retro to me, and EXTREMELY closed minded. Reminds me of some of the very dangerous radical  religious groups attitudes.
hmmmmm....SCARY!
 :hmm
:lol My beliefs are strong, but I don't think it makes me close-minded. I try to look at anything for what it is, not for what I want it to be. I know it can come across as close-minded, but I really don't think it is. I do think that there are many absolutes in this world, so I try and go towards the truth.

I do love philosophy, and that is where I pretty much get my beliefs about having a purpose and God existing. And Christianity seems to make sense to me.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: noxon on March 20, 2008, 11:13:25 AM
Well, it's certainly not an uncommon position for bornagains to have. I remember a few years back, some fans of neal morse were throwing out his older cds cause they had become bornagains as well and therefore couldn't possibly keep a cd that contained the F-word in it as it was against the religion. That was a cd that they obviously had enjoyed before, enough so that they still were fans of the guy to that day, but all of a sudden the cd was prime for the heap because there was a newfound badness to it?

Man, you christian people don't know how easy you have it. You can turn on the tv, go to the record store, and whatnot, and be surrounded by pro-christian media at all times. Especially during holiday seasons like we're in now... Man, think how it would be for me should I take the stance that everything religious is evil and should be avoided at all cost - I would have to lock myself away!!

I'm of the opinion that if you ignore and shy away from stuff that has arguments against that which you beleive, you are only doing a disservice to yourself. It's really close minded to not take in that which is presented, and evaluate it properly.

I mean, this is a story. It's not like your worldview would change from it (unless you think the word has some magical power infused by evil that will "brainwash" you into thinking something else - but I know other texts I would point to that has THOSE features built in ;)). Surely if your beliefs are strong, this should not be a case at all. Why is it that religion ISN'T allowed to be made fun of?

Oh well...


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 20, 2008, 11:15:24 AM
You obviously didn't read my earlier posts. Just scroll up and see my reasoning.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: noxon on March 20, 2008, 11:22:02 AM
Oh, I did read it. I still think you're close minded. An open minded person would not say "rather, I find it better for my beliefs to refrain from the music you have, but just for that reason, now that I know the story".

An open minded person who REALLY are searching for truth would NOT have a fixed set of beliefs that they work from and try to fit everything into those beliefs. That is what you are doing! An open minded person who REALLY are searching for truth would swallow EVERYTHING. And make up their mind AFTERWARDS. Coming in with a pre-concieved notion and judging that which you are presented based on those notions is close minded. You have the solution already, you just want things that confirm those "truths" that you have found, and want to ignore the other stuff.

If i presented you to a set of books discussing the origins of christianity, would you read them or not? If i presented you to a set of atheist books, would you read them or not?

I mean, surely you still listen to Dream Theater's Scenes From a Memory, even though that doesn't at all follow a christian mindset in the story - reincarnation isn't exactly something that is very christian at all...


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 20, 2008, 11:23:10 AM
Man, you christian people don't know how easy you have it. You can turn on the tv, go to the record store, and whatnot, and be surrounded by pro-christian media at all times.

I don't understand this part.  Pro-Christian media?  Do you have some examples?  I mean, if I turned on the TV right now I'd see two people committing adultery on some soap opera.  That's not very pro-Christian at all.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 20, 2008, 11:30:35 AM
Oh, I did read it. I still think you're close minded. An open minded person would not say "rather, I find it better for my beliefs to refrain from the music you have, but just for that reason, now that I know the story".

An open minded person who REALLY are searching for truth would NOT have a fixed set of beliefs that they work from and try to fit everything into those beliefs. That is what you are doing! An open minded person who REALLY are searching for truth would swallow EVERYTHING. And make up their mind AFTERWARDS. Coming in with a pre-concieved notion and judging that which you are presented based on those notions is close minded. You have the solution already, you just want things that confirm those "truths" that you have found, and want to ignore the other stuff.

If i presented you to a set of books discussing the origins of christianity, would you read them or not? If i presented you to a set of atheist books, would you read them or not?

I mean, surely you still listen to Dream Theater's Scenes From a Memory, even though that doesn't at all follow a christian mindset in the story - reincarnation isn't exactly something that is very christian at all...

There is a big difference between not being pro-Christian and being anti-God (not talking about CD being deliberate about it).

I think you're just upset that I have different reasonings than you.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: noxon on March 20, 2008, 11:34:48 AM
But isn't per definition a person who is not a christian and "anti-god" person as well? Surely their mindset would be similar in any case, and i would think it's VERY hard to make a distinction. And again - isn't that like already having decided what the truth is and fitting everything into that truth, instead of actually searching for the truth? I think it's dishonest at best.

I'm not upset at all, why on earth would I be upset with someone I've never even met over words on the internet? If anything, I find it hilarious.


Phantasmatron: I guess it's more noticable when you're "anti-god" like me. There is a lot of stuff in the media that is significantly pro-christian (even though a lot of it is just generic too) - particularly of american origin. The point wasn't that it's out there though (which it is - just watch fox news for a few days) - but what I should've done if i were to react negatively to everything christian in the media...


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 20, 2008, 11:45:48 AM
Meh, you seem to have no understanding of my viewpoint. Plus you just said you're anti-god, so it seems almost fruitless to try and give you my points, or I mean give you my points again, because I feel I was fairly sufficient in explaining myself the first time. But your anti-god agenda won't allow for my opinions to be taken seriously, so I probably won't respond to you again in this thread.

Telling me I'm close-minded? Yeah right.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Nick on March 20, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Wow, didn't expect to see Noxon here, probably don't remember me, but we've had some discussions in the past in and around DT.net I believe, good to have you here.

I like Noxon's statements about what it means to be open or close-minded, however I will say there are times when being somewhat close-minded is not a bad thing. I can not be sure that hitting myself in the nuts with a hammer would be bad for me, but I'm not about to make myself sure. I would agree that the United States has a pro-Christian spin to it, simply because the majority of the people here are Christian, so it is a natural happening.

I am personally an agnostic, however I'm in no way anti-religion or anti-god, and I believe whatever helps people through their day so be it, as long as it doesn't adversely effect myself or others negatively, be it through religious groups or some other sort of group. 


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: noxon on March 20, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
But your anti-god agenda won't allow for my opinions to be taken seriously, so I probably won't respond to you again in this thread.

Telling me I'm close-minded? Yeah right.

Thank you for proving my point...


Nick: I'm sorry, I do not recall you right now... It surely must've been a few years back since i wasn't really active on dt.net (except in the chatroom, but theres a ton of people that've come through there that i can't really keep up anymore). But I am flattered that you remember me, most people do not ;)

About open-mindedness: it's not about accepting to do everything or even anything at all. It's about being able to accept information AND misinformation with an objective eye and making the best possible decision based upon your collective information. If someone says to me "read this, it'll prove that <insert something here> is real", i usually DO read it and take the information as it is. I am also able to weed through the information to find that which says something about the credibility of what I'm reading, and my natural curiosity also leeds me to investigate such things as possible origins, possible counterpoints and so forth. It's an intensive process to be sure, and I really can understand why people do not do this.

I do respect religious people. I do respect that they beleive. I do not, however, respect the belief they have. If you can see that distinction. I do not believe in god, and therefore I am "anti-god" in the sense that I will argue the likelyhood of non-existance thereof.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: VFS on March 20, 2008, 01:04:34 PM
I just took a moment to rename this thread.

I'm glad everyone is behaving in here. I was a little tense reading the last handful of posts but I'm glad to see that I didn't really have to be.

But let's not accidentally focus on Jamesman and make it personal please (no he didn't ask me to say that. Just being pro-active in my worrying like usual ;) )


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 20, 2008, 01:14:31 PM
I don't really want to get into this, or be dragged in, but I think Charlie is right with this one.

I just find it unfortunate (though perhaps not closed minded) that you let a "message" get in the way of your music tastes. I don't like christian music usually, but I don't like it just because I don't like the music, not the message their preaching. I'm resilient enough not to be affected by their message. Actually, about two years ago I went to a church to watch a musician play, I was a little skeptical at first because I figured he'd preach and preach and I wouldn't enjoy myself since I hate having a message forced down my throat. But I was pleasently surprised to find that the guy wasn't forcing anything anywhere; he just seemed like a normal guy -- because he was a normal guy. I quickly realized that his religion didn't even matter, and that religion never usually matters. If he was trying to force something down my throat, he'd be an extremeist and I hate extremists, not christians (or other particular religions). So I was able to enjoy myself because I liked his music and he was a hilarious guy who had a lot of great stories.

I guess my point is that my passion for music overides anything else. Charlie could be preaching about how if we all hold hands and pray to god with one another that we would reach the afterlife, and I'd STILL buy his music, because I like his MUSIC. His beliefs and whatever else are irrelevent in my opinion. The only thing that would change would be that when I show people his music i'd just say "Yeah, I don't really agree with what he is saying, but its still amazing music regardless". And I'm not even atheist or "anti-god" or anything!

Charlie's story didn't offend me whatsoever anyway. Even if I was super christian (not that I am saying you are) I couldn't be offended in the first place, because it doesn't say anything about there being no god. The "creators" in the story could have been created by someone else as far as we know. They already said they didn't make the dinosaurs, so someone else did. Maybe evolution? Maybe god? Who knows, but you can take whatever stance on it that you like. Charlie's story is open-ended enough that you CAN'T really get offended from it. But what you CAN do is sit there in awe from the level of musicianship on the album, and that to me, is all that's important in something musical. If I wanted to hear about god or the absense of god, I'd go to a church, if I wanted to hear great music, I'd buy Charlie's CD. . . and since I have the entire trilogy, I guess you know where my priorites are.

Anyway, this probably came across as more agressive than I meant it to be, but I'm just trying to get my two cents in here. The story is brilliant, the music is great, and it paints a wonderful story; you'd be missing out if you decided to not buy it over something as silly as religon. So I'm glad you'll buy it now. To make a quick analogy before I finish my post, I guess listening to Charlie's trilogy is like enjoying a great movie. I'd go to the movie if it was awesome even if I didn't agree with the stance on a particular issue it was about. There is so much more to enjoy: the actor's performances, the brillance and cleverness of the shots, the amount of work that went into making it, etc. The same thing goes with Charlie's music; there is so much more than just a bunch of words. You'll see what I mean when you get it, hopefully you'll be pleasently suprised like I was with the christian musician.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Jamesman on March 20, 2008, 06:14:21 PM
But your anti-god agenda won't allow for my opinions to be taken seriously, so I probably won't respond to you again in this thread.

Telling me I'm close-minded? Yeah right.

Thank you for proving my point...


Proving your point? Eh, I don't like to deal with people who call me close-minded when they seem to have an agenda to be close-minded themselves (being anti-god).

Edit: you know what though? Let's just put down those barriers, because I presume that you are a nice enough guy with a personal disdain for God. We can be friends on here. So what do ya say? Friends?
 
I don't really want to get into this, or be dragged in, but I think Charlie is right with this one.

I just find it unfortunate (though perhaps not closed minded) that you let a "message" get in the way of your music tastes. I don't like christian music usually, but I don't like it just because I don't like the music, not the message their preaching. I'm resilient enough not to be affected by their message. Actually, about two years ago I went to a church to watch a musician play, I was a little skeptical at first because I figured he'd preach and preach and I wouldn't enjoy myself since I hate having a message forced down my throat. But I was pleasently surprised to find that the guy wasn't forcing anything anywhere; he just seemed like a normal guy -- because he was a normal guy. I quickly realized that his religion didn't even matter, and that religion never usually matters. If he was trying to force something down my throat, he'd be an extremeist and I hate extremists, not christians (or other particular religions). So I was able to enjoy myself because I liked his music and he was a hilarious guy who had a lot of great stories.

I guess my point is that my passion for music overides anything else. Charlie could be preaching about how if we all hold hands and pray to god with one another that we would reach the afterlife, and I'd STILL buy his music, because I like his MUSIC. His beliefs and whatever else are irrelevent in my opinion. The only thing that would change would be that when I show people his music i'd just say "Yeah, I don't really agree with what he is saying, but its still amazing music regardless". And I'm not even atheist or "anti-god" or anything!

Charlie's story didn't offend me whatsoever anyway. Even if I was super christian (not that I am saying you are) I couldn't be offended in the first place, because it doesn't say anything about there being no god. The "creators" in the story could have been created by someone else as far as we know. They already said they didn't make the dinosaurs, so someone else did. Maybe evolution? Maybe god? Who knows, but you can take whatever stance on it that you like. Charlie's story is open-ended enough that you CAN'T really get offended from it. But what you CAN do is sit there in awe from the level of musicianship on the album, and that to me, is all that's important in something musical. If I wanted to hear about god or the absense of god, I'd go to a church, if I wanted to hear great music, I'd buy Charlie's CD. . . and since I have the entire trilogy, I guess you know where my priorites are.

Anyway, this probably came across as more agressive than I meant it to be, but I'm just trying to get my two cents in here. The story is brilliant, the music is great, and it paints a wonderful story; you'd be missing out if you decided to not buy it over something as silly as religon. So I'm glad you'll buy it now. To make a quick analogy before I finish my post, I guess listening to Charlie's trilogy is like enjoying a great movie. I'd go to the movie if it was awesome even if I didn't agree with the stance on a particular issue it was about. There is so much more to enjoy: the actor's performances, the brillance and cleverness of the shots, the amount of work that went into making it, etc. The same thing goes with Charlie's music; there is so much more than just a bunch of words. You'll see what I mean when you get it, hopefully you'll be pleasently suprised like I was with the christian musician.
I know what you are saying. But for me, nothing overrides my love for God. And like I have said, the music is INCREDIBLE. The singing is amazing. I have no problems except with that one thing. And I am normally not uptight about things, but this is one thing that does bother me. Whether somebody likes it or not, that IS my belief and opinion. Call me wrong, whatever.

Just to clarify: In 2006 I went through the whole extremist phase of being a Christian. I lost my best friend because of it, and others distanced themselves away from me. It was stupid on my part, and I deeply regret it. And, also long ago, I learned to just be easy with my beliefs. So all of this, all of this defense...it's not normally me in terms of music. In life, my priorities are God, friends/family, and music. And I REALLY love music, playing it and listening to it. So there is just a conflict here, and who knows, I may end up getting the CD, like I stated earlier.

I hope that clarifies some more things.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 20, 2008, 07:29:37 PM
Charlie could be preaching about how if we all hold hands and pray to god with one another that we would reach the afterlife, and I'd STILL buy his music, because I like his MUSIC. His beliefs and whatever else are irrelevent in my opinion.

So...if Dominici's next album had awesome music but lyrically was about his violent hatred of some specific minority and depicted gruesome murders and delightful descriptions of slaughtering children and raping women...you'd enjoy that?

Disclaimer:  I am in no way suggesting that any member of Dominici hates any kind of minority or is a proponent of rape or infanticide.   :D

The story is brilliant, the music is great, and it paints a wonderful story; you'd be missing out if you decided to not buy it over something as silly as religon.

Frankly, this comment shocks me, considering your usual tactfulness.  Please don't trivialize and dismiss other people's beliefs like this.  "Silly?"  Seriously?  Religion tends to deal with pretty important things...you know, like the eternal fate of your soul.  If a religious person feels that hearing music they may enjoy could jeopardize an eternity in heaven, he'd be an idiot to actually listen to that music.

I'm not saying that this is the case here.  I don't think anybody's going to hell because of listening to Dominici.  But I feel like you're not giving the other side of the argument the credibility it deserves.  You're not even trying to see the opposite point of view.

Just because you don't happen to believe in a religion doesn't mean that it's something silly that should be a lower priority than music.   :)


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 12:59:55 AM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 01:39:23 AM
In the meantime,while I wait for the definition of the "God" word that we are all struggling over,I have this question and my disclaimer at the bottom-please read and think CAREFULLY before responding:
I am  more surprised and shocked that no one seems to have taken offense to This song:

"The Real Life "
              C.Dominici

The sun breaks through a tear in the clouds
A ray of hope in the darkness
The light cannot stay
To the black it gives way
The next is the real life, anyway

This world is but a stop on the journey
The path must be narrow and true
If I lose my way
I only can pray
The next is the real life, anyway


Everything will fade away when colors change to black
Everything will go that day and nothing will come back
Nothing will come back

The loss of this world will be trivial
Compared to what waits on that day
My kingdom come
My will be done
The next is the real life, anyway

The next is the real life, anyway

:::disclaimer::::
This is not me talking,it is the prisoner talking. He is referring to "My" kingdom (not "thy" kingdom as it is written in "The Lord's prayer") because he (if you heard part 1 you would know) now believes that he is the hand of God. He is obviously confused(not unlike the rest of us) about the answers to all of the questions we ask ourselves daily on the subject. "The hand of God" at the end of part one, is my version of Hamlet's "To Be or Not To Be". He is struggling at this point in the story, with the conflicting ideals of whether he wants to be true to his so-called "beliefs" or back off and save his material world life and carnal existence.He is a microcosm of mankind in the sense that he has gotten so mixed up with the anger,resentment  and confusion that he is torn between that and love and happiness options.He has almost forgotten what it is that he is so angry about. Like the rest of the real world is today.
This Trilogy is LITERATURE, NOT SCRIPTURE!
Let me repeat that:
This Trilogy is LITERATURE, NOT SCRIPTURE!!!
Please open your hearts and minds and use it for positive and "awakening" personal fuel.
That is what I intended,nothing more.
CD
 :justjen:



Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 21, 2008, 08:32:46 AM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I know the Trilogy isn't Scripture, but like I said, it's a conflict of interests in my mind. I wouldn't want to lie and say I bought it and listened and not tell you about something I didn't like; I believe in constructive criticism as well.  :)



Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 09:37:42 AM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I know the Trilogy isn't Scripture, but like I said, it's a conflict of interests in my mind. I wouldn't want to lie and say I bought it and listened and not tell you about something I didn't like; I believe in constructive criticism as well.  :)


The "God" you are referring to was actually known through out history as "The Son of God"
Are you sure you know the bible as well as you think?
 :hmm


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 09:41:44 AM
Quote :I am the way and the light. No man cometh before the father but through me"
                                                                                        Jesus Christ

Contradiciton?


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 21, 2008, 12:29:51 PM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I know the Trilogy isn't Scripture, but like I said, it's a conflict of interests in my mind. I wouldn't want to lie and say I bought it and listened and not tell you about something I didn't like; I believe in constructive criticism as well.  :)


The "God" you are referring to was actually known through out history as "The Son of God"
Are you sure you know the bible as well as you think?
 :hmm
The Lamb of God, The Bright Morning Star, the King of the Jews, The Image of the Invisible God, the Bridegroom, the Son of Man...Jesus Christ as the Son of god, I think I might know a thing or 2, but that is just speculation.  ;)


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I asked for the definition of God. you defined him(above) as Christ,yet you acknowledge Christ as "The son of God"
Which is it?


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 21, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I asked for the definition of God. you defined him(above) as Christ,yet you acknowledge Christ as "The son of God"
Which is it?

If this God dude is as all powerful as everybody says, I would imagine he'd be able to figure out a way to be his own son.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 06:45:07 PM

 God 'dude'  LOL!

....and they asked him why all the suffering and he sayeth  to them.....Dudes!
...I'm like......totally bummed!      Charlie   2:44
 


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 21, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
Charlie could be preaching about how if we all hold hands and pray to god with one another that we would reach the afterlife, and I'd STILL buy his music, because I like his MUSIC. His beliefs and whatever else are irrelevent in my opinion.

So...if Dominici's next album had awesome music but lyrically was about his violent hatred of some specific minority and depicted gruesome murders and delightful descriptions of slaughtering children and raping women...you'd enjoy that?

Disclaimer:  I am in no way suggesting that any member of Dominici hates any kind of minority or is a proponent of rape or infanticide.   :D

The story is brilliant, the music is great, and it paints a wonderful story; you'd be missing out if you decided to not buy it over something as silly as religon.

Frankly, this comment shocks me, considering your usual tactfulness.  Please don't trivialize and dismiss other people's beliefs like this.  "Silly?"  Seriously?  Religion tends to deal with pretty important things...you know, like the eternal fate of your soul.  If a religious person feels that hearing music they may enjoy could jeopardize an eternity in heaven, he'd be an idiot to actually listen to that music.

I'm not saying that this is the case here.  I don't think anybody's going to hell because of listening to Dominici.  But I feel like you're not giving the other side of the argument the credibility it deserves.  You're not even trying to see the opposite point of view.

Just because you don't happen to believe in a religion doesn't mean that it's something silly that should be a lower priority than music.   :)

Regarding the first comment: Yeah, I probably would. . . the MUSIC that is. Like I said, music is relatively harmless, its the words that you put to it that ever have any effect. And I'm not really that susceptible to that sort of thing, since I will never, in any way, rape, kill or murder anyone. They always say "never say never", but trust me, I'm likely to be able to block that out. I do see your point though, and yes, I would question the quality of character of the person who wrote it, but to me, music is more than just words, when I look at music, I look at the music. When I listen to an album I can do it in one of two ways: I can use my English (literary) side and look at the story, or I can use my music side, and look at it musically. The latter is 9 times out of ten what I use, and I am more likely to hear the notes of the vocal lines than the actual words, and that music, as long as its amazing and good, is what's important to me, even if the person who wrote it happens to be (or like the idea of) a murderer, rapist, etc.

Regarding the second part: Yeah, I knew when I wrote that that "silly" wasn't the correct word. It didn't really convey my point as I wanted it to. What I MEANT, was that music is autonomous from religion (hear me out). For me, when I say music, I mean MUSIC, not the stories, ideas and literary themes and devices that are laid on top of music. Music is merely something that evokes something inside of you; to me that is a feeling you can get no where else, and no matter what the music, it remains discreet from religion. Back in the day the church used to call you a Satan worshipper if you played dissonances such as Major 7ths, 6ths, etc. but the world isn't like that anymore. Music (and I mean notes, not literary ideas) has very little to do with religion, and I doubt you'd be damned for listening to certain notes.

But yes, again, I see your point, and while it came across different than I intended and I think your jumping the gun a bit calling me some disregarding heathen ( :lol kidding of course, I'm just being dramatic!). But yes, I was a little harsh. For me, I think this is where I finally get dragged into this whole mess. Music to me, is essientially life. It means everything, and my entire life revolves around it. I think my feelings with music are similar to the way people feel about religion, and that's why I know they feel so strongly with it; it just flows from your soul and you are one with it; your right, anything entwined with your BEING isn't silly, it was the wrong word. All I meant was that, in my opinion, he'd really be missing out (ACTUALLY make that ANYONE would be missing out). Religion isn't silly, no, but I just think the idea that you have to restrict yourself is. And yes, I am respecting other people's religions when I say this, since that is what humanity is, restraint. That's what ultimately seperates humaity from chaos; the reason why I don't kill my loved ones, or my neighbhors, etc. is because I excercise restraint. Which for me, is obviously easy, but for other people with different dispositions it isn't, and it becomes even harder with stricter rules like "don't listen to this, or don't believe that". And again, no that is never silly. But my whole point that I was making in the original post was that if you are resiliant enough to withstand the message and look PAST the lyrics and story, there is still an enriching experience for you to enjoy, and music shouldn't (and I don't think ever does) condemn you.

Anyway, sorry for my little slip up in eloquence there; my words failed me for once  :( Can I please be forgiven? You all know how much I love you. . .  :'(

Haha, but seriously, sorry if I caused any offence. I in NO WAY meant that religion or your beliefs are silly (for anyone). Music just means a lot to me, and I was trying to get across the point that music and religion contain no conflict; words and notes don't mix, they can only be layered. So if you peel off that layer of words in Charlie's music, you get the music, which is still more than enough to enjoy. Hope this clarifies my point.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 21, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
You know ,it reminds me of sometimes when I ask someone "Do you like Sushi?" and they reply, "No i hate it" I ask, "Have you ever tried it?" they repond, "No"

There is no need to ignore the lyrics,that's not what I write them for. The need is to understand the lyrics,which I believe will take some time. Trust me on this one.
 ;D


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 21, 2008, 08:15:31 PM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I asked for the definition of God. you defined him(above) as Christ,yet you acknowledge Christ as "The son of God"
Which is it?
Both.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: mike566 on March 21, 2008, 08:35:50 PM
Run and grab your pitchforks, it's a fiction story.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 21, 2008, 08:58:16 PM
*a whole lotta stuff*

Yeah, I figured it was one of those I-know-this-isn't-the-right-word-but-I'll-just-keep-going moments.  Sorry for overreacting.   ;)

But as far as your comments about appreciating lyrics versus appreciating music, Charlie makes a good point:

There is no need to ignore the lyrics,that's not what I write them for. The need is to understand the lyrics,which I believe will take some time. Trust me on this one.
 ;D

Given your evident familiarity with English, literature, and literary devices, it's particularly unfortunate that you tend to overlook the lyrics in favor of the music.  If the artist chooses to write lyrics, the words become part of the music, part of the statement the artist is making with words and sounds.  I bet you could really get a whole lot more out of your music if you manage to focus on both the music and the lyrics.

I don't know why I've been preaching at you so much lately.  Sorry.  I'll step off now.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 01:26:27 AM
Would someone please  do me a HUGE favor and define "God" so I can know if  I am anti God or pro God for once?
 :hmm
Well, the God I am referring to is the one who brought us into this world, came into the world as a man to die for our sins, and is active with us and loves us.

I asked for the definition of God. you defined him(above) as Christ,yet you acknowledge Christ as "The son of God"
Which is it?
Both.
That's almost  an oxy moron. He is both the ceator and the created? Pehaps you mean he made a clone of himself?
How can he be both God and the son of God? "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son". Your answer(both) is a perfect example of why Science and Religion cannot co-exist without constant conflict. It's as simple as saying the truth and the lie are both correct. This is a perfect example of the main
reason that people cannot universally accept only one religion,lack of "truth". When the truth comes,and trust me, it IS COMING, you will notice that all religions are going to PALE by comparison. Do yourself a favor. Click the link on the left panel of the main page here that says "A bit about 2012" There is a DR. with a long list of credentials and college degrees who has written a series of "Spritual Enlightenment" books. If you are not ready for this reality,then simply ignore them. If you truly want to be "Saved" then read on.
PS.Please don't take this as an attack on your religion.I am only trying to help you out. The truth shall set you free.

So, since it was not even partially answered by those responses, I once again pose my original question.Will someone please define "God" for me?
CD :hmm


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 05:03:03 AM
It doesn't matter if someone is a doctor or not, it doesn't mean he is the next Messiah. Call me crazy, but reading over that list seems to be the perspective of one man who takes truths and tries to make some religion out of it. You can call it spirituality, because I just read the other thread about "no more religion discussions, but we will still have spiritual discussions," but it seems pretty "religious" to me. Come on, that's pretty contradictory (to put it nicely).

If I want to be saved, I need to read on? I have absolutely no reason to believe in that. I do have a reason to have the faith I have. No, it's not because I have been "conditioned" to believe that. It's because it is where the evidence has led me.

So, you say no more religious discussion, yet you want a definition for "God," even though I gave you an answer? What else do you want?

He is the God of the Bible, the Creator, the one who brought us into this world (by whatever means necessary), the being that is bigger, wiser, and more powerful than us, who claims to love us enough to become a man and die for us, performing miracles before His death and Resurrection. That is the God I believe in, and the only one that I believe exists. How else do you want Him defined, unless you don't really care and are trying to make a point but you still present the question as if you were innocent to begin with.

Frankly, I am getting a vibe off of this forum of a cult-like attitude with this new spirituality. It's worse than what some fellow Christians even do. I am being honest, and maybe it's just me, so don't go off on a tangent because if you cannot take someone's opinion, because then you cannot be taken seriously. 

Btw, I didn't take any of that as an attack on my beliefs/religion. I addressed your points accordingly and gave you my opinion of things. So, no offense taken on that part. :)


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 05:07:46 AM
Run and grab your pitchforks, it's a fiction story.
Well, that was certainly enlightening.  :rolleyes


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 10:57:21 AM
That certainly is childish, but whatever makes you laugh (and too bad you can't come up with anything original).


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 22, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
This thread is getting dangerous.   :-[


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 22, 2008, 11:05:22 AM
*a whole lotta stuff*

Yeah, I figured it was one of those I-know-this-isn't-the-right-word-but-I'll-just-keep-going moments.  Sorry for overreacting.   ;)

But as far as your comments about appreciating lyrics versus appreciating music, Charlie makes a good point:

There is no need to ignore the lyrics,that's not what I write them for. The need is to understand the lyrics,which I believe will take some time. Trust me on this one.
 ;D

Given your evident familiarity with English, literature, and literary devices, it's particularly unfortunate that you tend to overlook the lyrics in favor of the music.  If the artist chooses to write lyrics, the words become part of the music, part of the statement the artist is making with words and sounds.  I bet you could really get a whole lot more out of your music if you manage to focus on both the music and the lyrics.

I don't know why I've been preaching at you so much lately.  Sorry.  I'll step off now.

Again, I don't ALWAYS overlook the lyrics; just "most" of the time. When I first get a CD, I sit down, and everyday I listen to it all the way through, usually reading the lyrics until I have them memorized. I also go through my head and analyze it as much as possible, figuring out all the ideas behind it (though there is a lot to analyze with the trilogy). However, since I listen to music so much, it just so happens that after my analysis is done (though its never "truly" finished since lyrics always spark something in your head) that I focus on the music. Prog albums always provide a wealth of information for me, both musically and lyrically since you ALWAYS hear something you didn't the first time, or the last time. It even takes me several listens of an album before I truly "get it". So I think your underestimating what I am trying to say here. I still stand by it, because I think I said exactly what I mean, but just because "90%" of the time I listen to the music rather than the words, doesn't mean I haven't gained something from the words. In fact, I go into great detail with the words and the meaning behind the lyrics as I already said.

Not to put words in your mouth, but I think what your doing is assuming that because I only listen to lyrics 10% of the time, I only understand 10% of the lyrics, which isn't true at all. Its just that with MOST music (with the exception of concept albums) there isn't much to the lyrics; you get it, and you move on. If I listened to "hot cross buns" 1000 times (this is an exaggeration here), that would mean that I listened to the lyrics, 100 times. Don't you think I'd understand most of what is to be said by the lyrics by then? With Charlie's albums I listen to the lyrics a lot; I always take out my little book to follow along, but I'm still in that early stage, so I can't say what will happen later on. But trust me, I never move on if there is still mystery left; so I think your wrong in assuming that my listening experience isn't "enriched" enough by not listening to the lyrics; because I do listen to the lyrics, it's just that I listen to the music more after I take in most of what the lyrics have to offer. No offence, but that was pretty dogmatic of you to say that I'm not getting "the most of of my music".


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 11:13:01 AM
It doesn't matter if someone is a doctor or not, it doesn't mean he is the next Messiah. Call me crazy, but reading over that list seems to be the perspective of one man who takes truths and tries to make some religion out of it. You can call it spirituality, because I just read the other thread about "no more religion discussions, but we will still have spiritual discussions," but it seems pretty "religious" to me. Come on, that's pretty contradictory (to put it nicely).

If I want to be saved, I need to read on? I have absolutely no reason to believe in that. I do have a reason to have the faith I have. No, it's not because I have been "conditioned" to believe that. It's because it is where the evidence has led me.

So, you say no more religious discussion, yet you want a definition for "God," even though I gave you an answer? What else do you want?

He is the God of the Bible, the Creator, the one who brought us into this world (by whatever means necessary), the being that is bigger, wiser, and more powerful than us, who claims to love us enough to become a man and die for us, performing miracles before His death and Resurrection. That is the God I believe in, and the only one that I believe exists. How else do you want Him defined, unless you don't really care and are trying to make a point but you still present the question as if you were innocent to begin with.

Frankly, I am getting a vibe off of this forum of a cult-like attitude with this new spirituality. It's worse than what some fellow Christians even do. I am being honest, and maybe it's just me, so don't go off on a tangent because if you cannot take someone's opinion, because then you cannot be taken seriously. 

Btw, I didn't take any of that as an attack on my beliefs/religion. I addressed your points accordingly and gave you my opinion of things. So, no offense taken on that part. :)

Jamesman.no offense but it sounds like YOU are the one who is in a "cult" LISTEN TO YOURSELF!

first you say he is god,then he is the son of god,then jesus himslf is god,then he is god who made himself into a man.

The thread about no more religion is going to be enforced AND this is the  exactly reason why. Jamesman,maybe you should just go to church and stay away from us because we might influence you and I don't think you are ready for the truth.
I am not being facisious,or trying to insult you,but the God,BS has to stop. This is not a Religious forum.Stop now or I will delete or lock the thread. At this point you admit you saw the new rules,if anyone posts religious posts I will delete them.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 11:16:56 AM
whoever posted that awaul poster,don't do that again. That's something you can share with me privately but it isn't fair to insult people who might take offense.
People have died over the cartoon of mohammed. it's a serious issue.
These religious people are dangerous fanatics sometimes.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 22, 2008, 11:22:49 AM
Personally I think this religion discussion should be stopped regardless. We are a collection of intellectuals here, and we have our own opinions, yet when it comes to religion, we boarder on all out war; and people ask why the middle east erupts in religous conflicts everyday; it nearly happens here at "home"!

Religion is just too touchy of a subject. People who are intelligent and who would have some wonderful things to offer to the MUSIC part of the forum (what the forum is actually about believe it or not!. . . no pun intended) are scared away because they personally think we attack them, or we're some cult etc. And while neither of those things are true, all it takes is their own mind to get that in their head and leave, and that's horrible in my opinion.

So I'm up for ending this whole religion debate, its not getting anywhere anyway, and its leading to open hostility between some* memebers.



*I know not everyone is involved in this, thankfully.  


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 11:26:05 AM
I am NOT going to lock,delete or otherwise discontinue this thread. It is an O3 Spiritual discussion,not a religious discussion. If you do not know the difference between spirituality and religion than you do not have any business posting in this thread.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 11:30:34 AM
Personally I think this religion discussion should be stopped regardless. We are a collection of intellectuals here, and we have our own opinions, yet when it comes to religion, we boarder on all out war; and people ask why the middle east erupts in religous conflicts everyday; it nearly happens here at "home"!

Religion is just too touchy of a subject. People who are intelligent and who would have some wonderful things to offer to the MUSIC part of the forum (what the forum is actually about believe it or not!. . . no pun intended) are scared away because they personally think we attack them, or we're some cult etc. And while neither of those things are true, all it takes is their own mind to get that in their head and leave, and that's horrible in my opinion.

So I'm up for ending this whole religion debate, its not getting anywhere anyway, and its leading to open hostility between some* memebers.



*I know not everyone is involved in this, thankfully.  

EXACTLY WHY I DO NOT LIKE RELIGION!  I am an inhabitant of this planet as well. I have a right to decide that I am against something that I KNOW is killing my world. Religion is killing the world
WAKE UP! We will not support religion here. We will not discuss religion here. THAT IS  IT!

Spirituality only. Learn the difference.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 11:48:33 AM
Grow up. This has turned into a religion bashing thread, not a spiritual discussion. I understand you all hate religion, fine, but if you cannot take someone disagreeing with you or talking about something you don't normally like, then you are the close-minded individual.

I haven't seen ANY discussion on the spiritual nature of the album since I have started making my point of view known. You say no more talk about religion, and yet you continue to do so and to tell that I am wrong, and very blatantly I might add.

I can see myself not posting at this forum anymore because of the level of hypocrisy and close-mindedness here, from the admin no less.

Whatever. You want to talk about spirituality, well let me tell you, that kind of discussion can usually lead to religion, one way or another. I think you just don't want opinions other than yours floating around here. But like you said, this is YOUR forum, and not mine, but that doesn't mean your forum will be any good.

Will you learn from this? I hope so. Take a step back and evaluate what you are doing here, Charlie.

I will say thanks to VFS and Phantasmatron for being great to me.

Peace.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 12:01:39 PM
Thats because you have forced us to have to wade through all of the "Religious" BS first. When that is over,maybe we can get into a spiritual discussion.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 12:04:31 PM
Thats because I had to wade through all of the "Religious" bashing first. When that is over,maybe we can get into a spiritual discussion.
Fixed.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 12:06:34 PM
Thats because I had to wade through all of the "Religious" bashing first. When that is over,maybe we can get into a spiritual discussion.
Fixed.

don't fix my words. Imeant BS! not bashing.

Your being warned now. If you are just going to continue to disrupt,you will be banned.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: veronica on March 22, 2008, 12:16:24 PM
Religion and politics often make some people lose all perspective and give way to ranting and raving and carrying on like emotional children they either refuse to discuss it with reason or else they prefer argumentum ad hominem which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion...
(link (http://www.religionandpolitics.ytmnd.com). Fiancé knows the whole thing by heart :lol )

Are we done now? :-[


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 12:17:44 PM
Religion and politics often make some people lose all perspective and give way to ranting and raving and carrying on like emotional children they either refuse to discuss it with reason or else they prefer argumentum ad hominem which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion...
(link (http://www.religionandpolitics.ytmnd.com). Fiancé knows the whole thing by heart :lol )

Are we done now? :-[
exactly why it is not permitted here!

Thank you,V


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 22, 2008, 12:18:25 PM
Eh, whatever. I want to be banned from this place, so there you go: an end to the discussion.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 12:19:25 PM
bye

well miss you


Title: Re: Forum reluctance!
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 22, 2008, 01:05:58 PM
Not to put words in your mouth, but I think what your doing is assuming that because I only listen to lyrics 10% of the time, I only understand 10% of the lyrics, which isn't true at all. Its just that with MOST music (with the exception of concept albums) there isn't much to the lyrics; you get it, and you move on. If I listened to "hot cross buns" 1000 times (this is an exaggeration here), that would mean that I listened to the lyrics, 100 times. Don't you think I'd understand most of what is to be said by the lyrics by then? With Charlie's albums I listen to the lyrics a lot; I always take out my little book to follow along, but I'm still in that early stage, so I can't say what will happen later on. But trust me, I never move on if there is still mystery left; so I think your wrong in assuming that my listening experience isn't "enriched" enough by not listening to the lyrics; because I do listen to the lyrics, it's just that I listen to the music more after I take in most of what the lyrics have to offer. No offence, but that was pretty dogmatic of you to say that I'm not getting "the most of of my music".

Dude...for some reason I keep totally overreacting to stuff you say.  It was kind of dumb of me to suggest that you're not getting the most out of your music.  I sincerely apologize.  I guess it's been a weird couple of days for the forum and I'm reacting to stuff funny.  I hope there's no hard feelings, because I pretty much always enjoy reading your posts, whether they contain things I disagree with or not.  :P

Cheers.   :beer



...as far as the other stuff going on in this thread, I think it's best for me to stay out of it.  Holy crap. :o


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 22, 2008, 06:34:37 PM
 :lol Don't worry about it bud, I am a pretty light hearted guy and I don't really get angry at much of anything, in fact, I am appreciative when someone can say "Well, I'm not really sure if you meant what you said when. . ." etc. Imagine if someone like you read one of my posts, with some little typo calling religion silly, and instead of inquiring about it so I can explain myself, they just wrote me off as some religious bashing person, etc. That would really suck, so seriously, thank you for being mature, if not a little abrupt!  :lol Its all taken to heart, and we enjoy each others company here, so I won't get hard feelings over something as "silly" as this  :tup

As far as the other content of this thread goes, I think its unfortunate too. Its kind of sad that Jamesman is gone, since I think he left for no reason. I don't think he really got the idea that it wasn't a personal attack on him, or that we are all anti-religion. Its just that it can't really be discussed here, as I said in one of my previous posts. Anyway, enough talk of this, in order to end it, it has to stop somewhere, so this will be my last post regarding religion in this thread. And no, I am not saying "no more religion!" I'm saying no more SPEAKING of religion, because that is what the "higher-ups" have asked. Although I agree with Charlie's decision, I think its best that we all respect his choice whether we agree with it or not, because as he says, its HIS forum.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
I should have known when I saw that someone started a thread "Religion vs.Science" that there was going to be trouble. I am not anti Christian,anti Jew,anti Muslim etc. Nor am I anti God. I am ,however anti religion. I happen to firmly believe that if the entire world were more "Spiritual" and there was not even one single "Religion" we would not be in the self-destruction mode that we are in as a species on this planet.The trilogy hints at this all through the story. It is not only my opinion but one that is shared by many very,very highly educated people who are involved in their own spiritual awakening as well as I. Is this a Cult? Not as much as religion is.Are we fanatics about it? Not as much as religious people are.Do i feel a need to go out and spread the "word"? Not as much as religious people do.
There is a HUGE difference between Religion and Spirituality. Some people cannot see that,especially when they are very young and think they know everything already.That said,we discuss things here that can reach some kind of conclusion and mutual respect for each others opinions. Opinion and Religion are not the same. Saying why don't you respect my opinion about my religion is like saying why can't I talk about religion.Simple,this is a forum for opinions,not religion and this includes a discussion about your opinion on religion.I'm only voicing my own opinion on religion to emphasise the reason that I don't want it discussed here. I think it is pretty simple. No offense to any religious people here.The words fanatic,zealot always bring to mind the word religion.To me ,it is archaic,no matter what particular religion it is.It is not science and NO they cannot co-exist,not peacefully anyway.Noxxon was absolutely correct on that one. I let that thread go on for two reasons. One,there was not a rule in place yet  and two, I knew where it was going to end up and I thought maybe it would prove my point. It turns out that the thread that had not been intentionally about religion(it was about O3 spirituality and my reluctanace to have a forum in the first place)was the thread that brought this point out. So,anyone who finds it difficult to understand the difference between religion and spirituality,read up on it. Dr Sharp,who's books can be found on links here,talks about this a lot as well. Do yourselves and the rest of the world a huge favor and look into it.
Thanks for listening and most of all I hope you truly understand this.
I know one person out there that will not understand for a long time yet and it makes me sad.
CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 22, 2008, 09:37:44 PM
By the way, I don't know how long I will keep the "forum" part of this site open,so anyone who wants to vent on how my incredible personal sacrifice to bring you all some cool music is somehow a big problem should do so now. I'm really fed up with people. I'm going to go play with my cat now.
PS. This is also directed at the other fourms that lurk here.  Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one,even me!
Go ahead and make whatever comments you like,it will all be meaningless anyway. The new album is coming out worldwide in a few weeks,1 week in Japan and it is going to rock the music world. That's all that really matters anyway.
CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Matt Gillis on March 23, 2008, 04:31:13 AM
Gah! Not an end to the forum!  :o

Quote
There is a HUGE difference between Religion and Spirituality. Some people cannot see that,especially when they are very young and think they know everything already.

That's really the only thing I disagree with. I'm still fairly young, but I started my whole "religion" search at a young age, and pretty much arrived where you are at now Charlie. I'm not saying its over, because by all means I'm sure its not, but I have always said that organized religions, while providing benefits, causes too many problems.

I'm not against any particular religion (though I do think that some are "worse" than others when it comes to interaction with people) but I do have some strong feelings against mass religion. Sure, it creates  many positive things (such as how certain religions are always trying to help the more unfortunate portions of the world), but I think all those positive things are crushed when put into comparison to the larger things, and it shocks me to the extent that people will do to each other. I mean, kill someone else for their beliefs? Its crazy, but its existed thousands of years.

It also scares me the momentum that religion has. A kid isn't born with a choice, he's born with a religion already in place, 9 times out of 10 anyway. Most of the time, these kids raised in the "name of god" don't ever question their beliefs, and just debate and support god because that is how they are raised. Its horrible, yes, and yet it happens, and people end up getting killed because some "idiot" never stopped to think twice about his beliefs and whether it was worth killing someone over; its so nurtured its like a person thinks its "nature" and it goes against their very being, so they think they must kill over it, and that is wrong. Period.

But as much as I preech "think about what you believe in and why!" like I did in a couple of my posts here, I'm afraid those words will go unheeded. religion will continue to be a problem in the world, just like many other things, and it'll continue to kill people everyday. I can't control whether it kills people or not, but I HOPE I can control whether it kills this forum or not. We've all seen that religion has no place here. And that has NOTHING to do with my opinion being like Charlie's. Its just for the simple fact that religion (something not even all of us believe in!) has torn this forum apart!

I don't know how many times at the ends of posts I say "Lets get back to the real discussion guys: music" because that is what this forum is all about, not some religous (or anti-religous for that matter) fanclub. Charlie in an amazing musician and Dominici is one of the best bands I've heard. I LOVE them. Yet that is being completely disregarded here because people would rather debate religion like this is some debating forum. I don't care what your view on abortions, religion, etc. are, all I care about is your view on music, especially Charlie's!

I know I went completely against the rules about bringing up religion again, but like Charlie said, I needed to vent. I will NOT stand for this forum getting destroyed for the sake of some confrontational people who feel the need to debate "their view". Like I said, Dominici amazes me, and it amazes me even more about how little press they get. They are superior to MOST bands I know of out there, and yet Charlie is still selling his CDs like he is some "underground" musician. What the hell is that? So instead of helping Charlie out and spreading his wonderful music to the world, we'd rather sit here and debate something as selfish as religion? I feel like its an injustice that Dominici is so great, and yet hardly a word has been said by most members (for those contributers, THANK YOU) about Charlie's music. If your here for religion and not music, please, for our sake, leave. This is a forum about music, yet its this stupid debate on religion that is tearing it apart and ruining a place that is available for music discussion.

Anyway, I think I've made my point fairly clear. Charlie, there ARE others like me, so PLEASE don't disband this forum. I know it only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch, but you know that right from the start I've been supporting your music and this whole "stop this crap on religion!" debate. I really don't want to see an end come to this place, because really, I think it is a good way to spread your music, and its an enriching experience for people like me, you know, your fans . I know a jackass hops on here every now and then and starts ranting about some particular subject, but he can't speak for all of us, and my particular voice is that I want this place to stay. I've always said that your music inspires me, and it does. It inspires me musically, and that's what's important. I am always working hard at my own music endevours, in the hope that SOMEDAY what I churn out will be as good as your stuff. Unfortunately your music also inspires religious fanatics to say how wrong you are and disregard the music completely; which is dumb. Just ignore them please, for the rest of us. Trust me, I for one (and many others on this forum) have more of a vocabulary for discussing music, not religion.

Sincerely, Matt


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: VFS on March 23, 2008, 05:58:19 AM
This is why we originally wanted no politics and no religion. We're still growing and learning though, as a community, and the staff decided to give those topics a shot.

At this point it's clear that this isn't going to work, so the rules have been updated and reposted (By the way, only 40 people here even read the rules judging by views, and I know I was at least 5 of those views.. how would anyone know what is or isnt' allowed if they don't read them?)

Who knows what the fate of the forum itself will be....

At any rate, I don't want to take away from the excellent post above mine so I'll keep it short and to the point.

Hope it doesn't close. Let's try to help it not to by not taking this any further. I won't lock the thread though because charlie may want to respond. (No nobody is in any trouble).


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 06:37:08 AM
For the record,our forum is still alive and well!
As for the fiasco over "Religion" recently, as far as I'm concerned it only served to further prove my point. What happened in here due to all that "Bible Thumping" is a microcsm of the REAL problem I have with EVERY religion in the world!
One religion is bad,one is not so bad,one is good,one slightly better,one worse and so on...If you are any one of them,you are perpetuating the Religion problem,IMHO.
Get spirituality and you will see that there really is no need for Religion at all.
One thing I know for sure,we have no further need of it in this forum!
The word can be spoken,but not debated. Same goes for politics. Just like you can mention child molesters in your post,but not advocate it.
I hope I have made this abundantly clear at this point.Anyone who wants to know the difference between thr "R" word and spirituality is welcome to do the research. They can even talk to me personally if I am availabe on Skype. Please don't get pissed if I cant answer because I am doing tons of phone interviews now with the CD coming out worldwide next month.
Peace!
CD

 :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 06:40:27 AM
Wanna know what I really hate about ..ahem..Religion?
It's Easter Sunday, everything is closed and I'm out of CIGARETTES!!!!


AAAARRRRHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :d'oh:


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 23, 2008, 08:24:38 AM
No 7-11's in Hungary?


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 09:48:09 AM
No 7-11's in Hungary?

dude, don't rub it in!

there aint SHIT in hungary that's open when it's a holiday. I walked 10 blocks and found a store that was just about to close and got a couple packs because they celebrate Easter on monday again! Don't ask me why because I have no freaking idea!


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Phantasmatron on March 23, 2008, 10:50:42 AM
I am not anti Christian,anti Jew,anti Muslim etc. Nor am I anti God.

 :tup

By the way, I don't know how long I will keep the "forum" part of this site open

 :-[

I'm going to go play with my cat now.

 :tup

The new album is coming out worldwide in a few weeks,1 week in Japan and it is going to rock the music world. That's all that really matters anyway.

 :metal


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 23, 2008, 10:54:51 AM
Gah! Not an end to the forum!  :o

Quote
There is a HUGE difference between Religion and Spirituality. Some people cannot see that,especially when they are very young and think they know everything already.

That's really the only thing I disagree with. I'm still fairly young, but I started my whole "religion" search at a young age, and pretty much arrived where you are at now Charlie. I'm not saying its over, because by all means I'm sure its not, but I have always said that organized religions, while providing benefits, causes too many problems.

I'm not against any particular religion (though I do think that some are "worse" than others when it comes to interaction with people) but I do have some strong feelings against mass religion. Sure, it creates  many positive things (such as how certain religions are always trying to help the more unfortunate portions of the world), but I think all those positive things are crushed when put into comparison to the larger things, and it shocks me to the extent that people will do to each other. I mean, kill someone else for their beliefs? Its crazy, but its existed thousands of years.

It also scares me the momentum that religion has. A kid isn't born with a choice, he's born with a religion already in place, 9 times out of 10 anyway. Most of the time, these kids raised in the "name of god" don't ever question their beliefs, and just debate and support god because that is how they are raised. Its horrible, yes, and yet it happens, and people end up getting killed because some "idiot" never stopped to think twice about his beliefs and whether it was worth killing someone over; its so nurtured its like a person thinks its "nature" and it goes against their very being, so they think they must kill over it, and that is wrong. Period.

But as much as I preech "think about what you believe in and why!" like I did in a couple of my posts here, I'm afraid those words will go unheeded. religion will continue to be a problem in the world, just like many other things, and it'll continue to kill people everyday. I can't control whether it kills people or not, but I HOPE I can control whether it kills this forum or not. We've all seen that religion has no place here. And that has NOTHING to do with my opinion being like Charlie's. Its just for the simple fact that religion (something not even all of us believe in!) has torn this forum apart!

I don't know how many times at the ends of posts I say "Lets get back to the real discussion guys: music" because that is what this forum is all about, not some religous (or anti-religous for that matter) fanclub. Charlie in an amazing musician and Dominici is one of the best bands I've heard. I LOVE them. Yet that is being completely disregarded here because people would rather debate religion like this is some debating forum. I don't care what your view on abortions, religion, etc. are, all I care about is your view on music, especially Charlie's!

I know I went completely against the rules about bringing up religion again, but like Charlie said, I needed to vent. I will NOT stand for this forum getting destroyed for the sake of some confrontational people who feel the need to debate "their view". Like I said, Dominici amazes me, and it amazes me even more about how little press they get. They are superior to MOST bands I know of out there, and yet Charlie is still selling his CDs like he is some "underground" musician. What the hell is that? So instead of helping Charlie out and spreading his wonderful music to the world, we'd rather sit here and debate something as selfish as religion? I feel like its an injustice that Dominici is so great, and yet hardly a word has been said by most members (for those contributers, THANK YOU) about Charlie's music. If your here for religion and not music, please, for our sake, leave. This is a forum about music, yet its this stupid debate on religion that is tearing it apart and ruining a place that is available for music discussion.

Anyway, I think I've made my point fairly clear. Charlie, there ARE others like me, so PLEASE don't disband this forum. I know it only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch, but you know that right from the start I've been supporting your music and this whole "stop this crap on religion!" debate. I really don't want to see an end come to this place, because really, I think it is a good way to spread your music, and its an enriching experience for people like me, you know, your fans . I know a jackass hops on here every now and then and starts ranting about some particular subject, but he can't speak for all of us, and my particular voice is that I want this place to stay. I've always said that your music inspires me, and it does. It inspires me musically, and that's what's important. I am always working hard at my own music endevours, in the hope that SOMEDAY what I churn out will be as good as your stuff. Unfortunately your music also inspires religious fanatics to say how wrong you are and disregard the music completely; which is dumb. Just ignore them please, for the rest of us. Trust me, I for one (and many others on this forum) have more of a vocabulary for discussing music, not religion.

Sincerely, Matt
Meh, you are just scared to talk about deep things. Or you don't really know what you are talking about. And stop kissing CD's butt.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 11:11:19 AM
Gah! Not an end to the forum!  :o

Quote
There is a HUGE difference between Religion and Spirituality. Some people cannot see that,especially when they are very young and think they know everything already.

That's really the only thing I disagree with. I'm still fairly young, but I started my whole "religion" search at a young age, and pretty much arrived where you are at now Charlie. I'm not saying its over, because by all means I'm sure its not, but I have always said that organized religions, while providing benefits, causes too many problems.

I'm not against any particular religion (though I do think that some are "worse" than others when it comes to interaction with people) but I do have some strong feelings against mass religion. Sure, it creates  many positive things (such as how certain religions are always trying to help the more unfortunate portions of the world), but I think all those positive things are crushed when put into comparison to the larger things, and it shocks me to the extent that people will do to each other. I mean, kill someone else for their beliefs? Its crazy, but its existed thousands of years.

It also scares me the momentum that religion has. A kid isn't born with a choice, he's born with a religion already in place, 9 times out of 10 anyway. Most of the time, these kids raised in the "name of god" don't ever question their beliefs, and just debate and support god because that is how they are raised. Its horrible, yes, and yet it happens, and people end up getting killed because some "idiot" never stopped to think twice about his beliefs and whether it was worth killing someone over; its so nurtured its like a person thinks its "nature" and it goes against their very being, so they think they must kill over it, and that is wrong. Period.

But as much as I preech "think about what you believe in and why!" like I did in a couple of my posts here, I'm afraid those words will go unheeded. religion will continue to be a problem in the world, just like many other things, and it'll continue to kill people everyday. I can't control whether it kills people or not, but I HOPE I can control whether it kills this forum or not. We've all seen that religion has no place here. And that has NOTHING to do with my opinion being like Charlie's. Its just for the simple fact that religion (something not even all of us believe in!) has torn this forum apart!

I don't know how many times at the ends of posts I say "Lets get back to the real discussion guys: music" because that is what this forum is all about, not some religous (or anti-religous for that matter) fanclub. Charlie in an amazing musician and Dominici is one of the best bands I've heard. I LOVE them. Yet that is being completely disregarded here because people would rather debate religion like this is some debating forum. I don't care what your view on abortions, religion, etc. are, all I care about is your view on music, especially Charlie's!

I know I went completely against the rules about bringing up religion again, but like Charlie said, I needed to vent. I will NOT stand for this forum getting destroyed for the sake of some confrontational people who feel the need to debate "their view". Like I said, Dominici amazes me, and it amazes me even more about how little press they get. They are superior to MOST bands I know of out there, and yet Charlie is still selling his CDs like he is some "underground" musician. What the hell is that? So instead of helping Charlie out and spreading his wonderful music to the world, we'd rather sit here and debate something as selfish as religion? I feel like its an injustice that Dominici is so great, and yet hardly a word has been said by most members (for those contributers, THANK YOU) about Charlie's music. If your here for religion and not music, please, for our sake, leave. This is a forum about music, yet its this stupid debate on religion that is tearing it apart and ruining a place that is available for music discussion.

Anyway, I think I've made my point fairly clear. Charlie, there ARE others like me, so PLEASE don't disband this forum. I know it only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch, but you know that right from the start I've been supporting your music and this whole "stop this crap on religion!" debate. I really don't want to see an end come to this place, because really, I think it is a good way to spread your music, and its an enriching experience for people like me, you know, your fans . I know a jackass hops on here every now and then and starts ranting about some particular subject, but he can't speak for all of us, and my particular voice is that I want this place to stay. I've always said that your music inspires me, and it does. It inspires me musically, and that's what's important. I am always working hard at my own music endevours, in the hope that SOMEDAY what I churn out will be as good as your stuff. Unfortunately your music also inspires religious fanatics to say how wrong you are and disregard the music completely; which is dumb. Just ignore them please, for the rest of us. Trust me, I for one (and many others on this forum) have more of a vocabulary for discussing music, not religion.

Sincerely, Matt
Meh, you are just scared to talk about deep things. Or you don't really know what you are talking about. And stop kissing CD's butt.
He's quite intelligent,actually, I wonder about you. Why did you come back,to convince us  of how stupid and immature you are? we already know that.I noticed your first three posts are agitating,derogatory and flambouyant. Would you like to stop that now and actually make a decent contribution? Are you determined to show yourself to the world as a jerk or what?Is this how you want to represent the "followers of you precious "Religion".
Go ahead and keep proving my point I LOVE IT!


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: Jamesman on March 23, 2008, 11:13:19 AM
I asked to be banned because I know how I can get. And you keep egging me on. You see, this is no longer about religion, although you keep bringing it up.

Is it possible to delete an account on here? Let's see...


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 11:20:44 AM
I asked to be banned because I know how I can get. And you keep egging me on. You see, this is no longer about religion, although you keep bringing it up.

Is it possible to delete an account on here? Let's see...
I'm not "Discussing" religion,because thats against the rules,as I have told you  SEVEN OR EIGHT times. I'm just referring to your earlier statements about it. You are a terrible example of your congregation,my friend.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 11:26:49 AM
You don't fool me ,son. I eat people like you for breakfast. I know EXACTLY whay you are up to. I am chronicling each and every post and I will be posting the entire threads EVERYWHERE you are a member. Everyone will see what a total idiot you are,and your plan to ridicule me will fail. Try me.You came here to make trouble,now you got it. Can you handle it?


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 12:03:42 PM
 :rollin


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: The Metal Madman on March 23, 2008, 12:38:57 PM
Couldnt have set it better myself. I wont get into the whole religious thing because you asked we not do so. I can almost bet we share a lot of the same views!


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: nimrod on March 23, 2008, 12:56:32 PM
Get spirituality and you will see that there really is no need for Religion at all.
One thing I know for sure,we have no further need of it in this forum!
This is the only thing I'd say I really find offensive. I have no problem with you Charlie and I like this forum but although it may be your forum I don't really appreciate it when someone quashes other people's opinions. I can see why you don't want to talk about Religion and I respect that but please don't be saying "Get spirituality and you will see that there really is no need for Religion at all". It is currently sounding like (perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're saying) you are trying to convert people to spirituality. Also, when you talk about highly educated people involved with spirituality then you might be forgetting that many highly educated people are also involved with Religion.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: VFS on March 23, 2008, 01:44:30 PM
I feel like this could be an endless conversation and nothing good would ever come of it. I'd love Charlie to choose to lock it and start some new topics, but I'll stand back and let him decide.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 23, 2008, 02:16:24 PM
I feel like this could be an endless conversation and nothing good would ever come of it. I'd love Charlie to choose to lock it and start some new topics, but I'll stand back and let him decide.

Lock it now!
There is not enough brain power  here to discuss this.


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 27, 2008, 11:58:59 PM
In case anyone is still not convinced that These "fanatic" beliefs are not benign:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_re_us/daughter_s_death_prayer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_re_us/daughter_s_death_prayer)

I rest my case.
 :(


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 28, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
"The parents believe they did not do anything criminal"
Can you say..denial????
F*ck these people. They are destroying my beautiful world! :monkeygirl:
LOCK THIS THREAD NOW!
I don't want to hear any BS non-reality comments or opinions on this.
CD
 :bullwhip


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: charliedominici on March 29, 2008, 02:28:27 AM
Just so you all know,my comment about "not enough brain power" was directed only at those few closed minded individuals  that blindly follow dogmatic teachings like "sheep". I did not and do not intend to offend those of you who are intelligent and evolving beings.
Just thought I'd clear that up.

BAAAAAAAAAAA! :d'oh:

CD


Title: Re: Forum reluctance! (& an O3 spiritual discussion)
Post by: VFS on March 29, 2008, 08:20:55 AM
...blindly follow dogmatic teachings like "sheep".

....

BAAAAAAAAAAA!



:lol :lol


(sorry, but the irony is thick :P )

:lol