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« on: March 10, 2008, 04:40:23 PM »

Or whatever you wanna call it.

Noticed today that at the end of "Genesis" (on "Part 3") if you turn up the birds chirping at the end, you can hear the first line from "Part 1" being sung ... "Why am I planted here?"

Just thought I'd mention that. 
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 04:41:07 PM »

Haha, yeah I noticed that on first listen, pretty cool.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 04:47:20 PM »

Knucklehead, something like that you mention in a review! Geez, you said the story came somewhat full circle with the final line, but didn't mention a word about this. Odd. 

It's the infinity theory, I'm tellin ya. Infinity is where it's at.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 04:48:56 PM »

Well that's exactly what I was referencing when I said that, and so after reading the review it should have been cool to find out what I was talking aboot. :p
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 07:18:46 PM »

Haha, yeah I noticed that on first listen, pretty cool.



I only noticed that yesterday, like the tenth time I heard "Genesis."

I haven't come across any other nuggets yet, though.  I'm guessing some of them are lyrical, and I haven't read through the lyrics carefully since the first listen, when I wasn't exactly looking for nuggets.


EDIT:  I can't think of another way to say it, so I'm just gonna leave that idiotic "I'm guessing some of them are lyrical" as it is.  Dammit.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 07:25:14 PM »

that makes perfect sense.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 03:08:45 AM »

My favorite line is in genesis:

"I suppose that you made the dinosaurs too"
"No that was somebody else" ... the sincerety with which the line comes across, particularly in terms of melody is plainly... hilarious 
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 06:28:35 AM »

Well that's exactly what I was referencing when I said that, and so after reading the review it should have been cool to find out what I was talking aboot. :p

listen again to"Introduction", the first song on part 1, then listen to "Genesis",the last song on part 3. Yes the line is repeated from part one and it is related to the "infinity" concept,however the line is spoken the first time by the "sleeper" guy,and at the end by Detective A.Dam!

Dig a little deeper for the meaning of this. Tell me what you think it means.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 08:38:18 AM »

Well that's exactly what I was referencing when I said that, and so after reading the review it should have been cool to find out what I was talking aboot. :p

listen again to"Introduction", the first song on part 1, then listen to "Genesis",the last song on part 3. Yes the line is repeated from part one and it is related to the "infinity" concept,however the line is spoken the first time by the "sleeper" guy,and at the end by Detective A.Dam!

Dig a little deeper for the meaning of this. Tell me what you think it means.
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he has a purpose in his life, but he doesn't know about it, the detective's is to start life again, the sleeper's was to end life for the betterment of the world. they had or have to find out about it
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 11:34:00 AM »

close...not exactly
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2008, 11:44:56 AM »

you got me

ill try again
what is our purpose in life? i will quote Queensryche, "Why am i here, and for how long?"
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2008, 11:47:15 AM »

OH! the cyclical nature of life
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 12:03:25 PM »

you got me

ill try again
what is our purpose in life? i will quote Queensryche, "Why am i here, and for how long?"
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 12:10:21 PM »

Oh yeah, that reminds me. On King Of Terror are you referring to Johnny Got His Gun?
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 12:11:58 PM »

Oh yeah, that reminds me. On King Of Terror are you referring to Johnny Got His Gun?
No. Johnny get your gun is an old ,old saying from the civil war time.
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 12:16:34 PM »

Oh yeah, that reminds me. On King Of Terror are you referring to Johnny Got His Gun?
No. Johnny get your gun is an old ,old saying from the civil war time.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 12:52:04 PM »

When spoken by the sleeper, "Why am I planted here?" is a question posed to mankind and specifically the men responsible for his mission, whereas at the end of part III "Why am I here?" is a question to a being that can not answer, "god" or some other force.

If I'm right I already have a part III promo, so set up another question.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 12:58:49 PM »

There goes Nick ruining everything, tsk tsk.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2008, 01:09:45 PM »

When spoken by the sleeper, "Why am I planted here?" is a question posed to mankind and specifically the men responsible for his mission, whereas at the end of part III "Why am I here?" is a question to a being that can not answer, "god" or some other force.

If I'm right I already have a part III promo, so set up another question.

hhmmmmmm....not exactly
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2008, 01:25:19 PM »

the seeds of life and death

"in the garden where the seeds were spilled" you should know that one charlie Wink
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 01:44:44 PM »

yes. I favored the few that stood strong in the sun!
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2008, 04:44:09 AM »

Alright, I'm not sure if its been discovered or not but:

Perhaps does it represent the diversity in man?

Look at the context: Part one:

Why was I planted here?
A thorn in the worlds side
working stealthily
until my time arrives


Part Three:
Why was I planted here? but earlier in the album it was said that:

So why were we created
If no hope does exist
Day to day in turmoil
we cannot full their wish
can we all merely be fodder?
Some great cosmic mistake
There has to be an answer
A different road to take


So the sleeper sees himself as insignificant, a thorn in the world's side, something nearly undetectible he is so small. He wonders why he must be the one to destory the world.

The detective on the other hand, is put in place to CREATE the world again. Could it be that he sees the futility in it all? As said in the part three verse, perhaps he questions the whole point of being placed there; what is the point in existing if he is not something significant, something worth being around.

The only flaw I can find with my reasoning is that his mind was wiped. . . but he did retain the knowledge that he was put there by a higher being. I think that it represents the "diversity" in the fact that he thinks "why doesn't the higher beings just live here themselves, why do I have to be a pointless pawn". 
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2008, 07:13:42 AM »

cool answer!
totally wrong!

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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 07:15:46 AM »

It occurs to me that this  is a little unfair because you would have to have already heard part 3,which isn't even out yet,in order to know the answer,to win a part 3 CD
can you say paradox?

 
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2008, 07:17:11 AM »

It occurs to me that this  is a little unfair because you would have to have already heard part 3,which isn't even out yet,in order to know the answer,to win a part 3 CD
can you say paradox?

 

But your site has the lyrics. That's all that's needed
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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 07:19:42 AM »

I guess that's true. I forgot about that!
 
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2008, 12:07:40 PM »

Haha, well, I tried  Perhaps I'll come back after more pondering 
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2008, 12:43:06 PM »

I do have a hypothesis, but I don't wanna post it yet as I need to backcheck something first.

anyway, I wonder about something else though: at the beginning of "hell on earth" detective a. dam arrives at this field; presumably in his police car (as you can hear the rattling of ignition keys, the door of the car being closed and the police radio). But the sound of the car engine doesn't sound like a car engine to me... it sounds like a moped or some other two-stroke engined vehicle  Huh?
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2008, 12:57:41 PM »

I do have a hypothesis, but I don't wanna post it yet as I need to backcheck something first.

anyway, I wonder about something else though: at the beginning of "hell on earth" detective a. dam arrives at this field; presumably in his police car (as you can hear the rattling of ignition keys, the door of the car being closed and the police radio). But the sound of the car engine doesn't sound like a car engine to me... it sounds like a moped or some other two-stroke engined vehicle  Huh?
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2008, 02:49:39 PM »

oh come ON could he not have an old chevy malibu cop car??

should've known charlie was a ford man.

... can we settle on mopars? harleys!! how bout that?
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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2008, 03:56:53 AM »

I think Tigger is A. Dam. at the end... merging artwork with concept... at the beginning "Why was I planted here?" was the guy who ends up being kidnapped as a child and turned into the one of seven who are part of this mission.

At the end it's detective A. Dam, who's been reincarnated as a cat, and realizes the animals have always been in control, and the humans have been pawns all along... and won't be getting a chance at all this time.

of course once i have some coffee i'm sure i'll totally disagree with myself
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2008, 04:15:06 AM »

I think Tigger is A. Dam. at the end... merging artwork with concept... at the beginning "Why was I planted here?" was the guy who ends up being kidnapped as a child and turned into the one of seven who are part of this mission.

At the end it's detective A. Dam, who's been reincarnated as a cat, and realizes the animals have always been in control, and the humans have been pawns all along... and won't be getting a chance at all this time.

of course once i have some coffee i'm sure i'll totally disagree with myself

WOW! Wrong...but a great idea fo another story...if I was ever crazy enough to actually continue the saga.
I put Tigger there because that's where I know she really is now,in Paradise,doing what she always loved. Watching the birds...and waiting for me to join her amazingly gentle soul and Warrior Spirit, once again and forever this time.
 
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2008, 05:53:02 AM »

arrgh, I hate my internet connection; I used up this months gigabyte  Cry

maybe I can crash into my mum's interent tomorrow to continue pondering on the subject 
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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2008, 05:04:16 AM »

Well that's exactly what I was referencing when I said that, and so after reading the review it should have been cool to find out what I was talking aboot. :p

listen again to"Introduction", the first song on part 1, then listen to "Genesis",the last song on part 3. Yes the line is repeated from part one and it is related to the "infinity" concept,however the line is spoken the first time by the "sleeper" guy,and at the end by Detective A.Dam!

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Ok well I probably haven't dug deep enough for this answer but I'll give it a shot. The line "Why was I planted here?" is spoken at the beginning and end to show how man will ask this question for all time, it is without end. The significance of the "sleeper guy" saying this at the beginning is this - he represents religion and since the beginning man has tried to answer that very question with religion. The significance of Detective A. Dam speaking this line at the end is that he represents your average guy who wants to know the answers but he has been deceived he is not really "Adam" and they are not really his creators, this is representing how, in some people's opinion, religion tries to pull the wool over people's eyes. So overall this is really talking about religion and also about how man will always ask why they are here but keep falling short of the answer. By the way, this isn't my opinion on how things are I was just trying to look at it from a non-biased viewpoint and see what Charlie is really trying to say. I'm probably wrong I know but hey I tried.
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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2008, 09:50:40 AM »

Well that's exactly what I was referencing when I said that, and so after reading the review it should have been cool to find out what I was talking aboot. :p

listen again to"Introduction", the first song on part 1, then listen to "Genesis",the last song on part 3. Yes the line is repeated from part one and it is related to the "infinity" concept,however the line is spoken the first time by the "sleeper" guy,and at the end by Detective A.Dam!

Dig a little deeper for the meaning of this. Tell me what you think it means.
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Ok well I probably haven't dug deep enough for this answer but I'll give it a shot. The line "Why was I planted here?" is spoken at the beginning and end to show how man will ask this question for all time, it is without end. The significance of the "sleeper guy" saying this at the beginning is this - he represents religion and since the beginning man has tried to answer that very question with religion. The significance of Detective A. Dam speaking this line at the end is that he represents your average guy who wants to know the answers but he has been deceived he is not really "Adam" and they are not really his creators, this is representing how, in some people's opinion, religion tries to pull the wool over people's eyes. So overall this is really talking about religion and also about how man will always ask why they are here but keep falling short of the answer. By the way, this isn't my opinion on how things are I was just trying to look at it from a non-biased viewpoint and see what Charlie is really trying to say. I'm probably wrong I know but hey I tried.
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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2008, 01:03:25 PM »

Dammmm. 

You fancy revealing what the correct answer is? I'm itching to know now.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2008, 01:38:24 PM »

They are both asking "Why me? Why am I here?*" The sleeper: why am i the one who has to kill everybody
Detective A. Dam: "Why am i the one who has to procreate with somebody for the good of the human race"

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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2008, 12:01:54 PM »

ok, so after backchecking the lyrics for any conflicts I'd say the sleeper = the prisoner = the cop who hears voices  Huh?

c'mon charlie how far off am I Huh? I can take it !!!  Cool
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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2008, 05:49:01 PM »

i know i have an autographed copy of part 3 already but i think i just figured out the answer to your riddle now after 3 months.

Reincarnation?
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2008, 10:26:23 PM »

Is this still on?

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2010, 09:09:34 AM »

Well it has been 2 years! I apologize for being so absent from the forum and it seems to have become a "Ghost Town" lately but here's the latest on this topic:

Matt Gillis has come the closest to the correct answer! Below is the copy/paste of our conversation yesterday.

Matt Gillis answered:

 It seems so simple to me, and I don't know why nobody guessed this: Is it the futility of repeating oneself? Is humanity inherently doomed to make the same mistakes perpetually? You said it related to the infinity concept, and I'd reckon that the "moral" of the story is that human nature simply doesn't change--that's what you've said on the topic of "Greed", the evil seed. All of our problems relate back to a single source: us. So I'd say that the significance of both characters saying the line relates to the fact that while one character is perceived as being a terrorist (or the bad guy) and the other a "good" guy, it doesn't matter in the end, because those are traits assigned by our own perception. Looking at it from an unbiased standpoint, however, reveals the notion that in the end both are human and likely to make the same mistake because they are human. It can be said, then, that he act of wiping the slate clean and repopulating the planet is futile, because we make the same mistakes due to our nature.

I answered:


OOOOOOO....so close!

You just need to take that final step.

CD

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Hmm, well take my last statement and append this onto it:

The infinity concept relates not to the reincarnation of the sleeper as a person, but rather his ideals. The re-utterance of the "why are we planted here" line, serves as the connection between the detective and the sleeper; when A.dam was "wiped" and placed as the cornerstone for the rest of humanity, they couldn't erase the core of humanity: choice. There has to be the duality of ideals, which is the battle between good and evil in some people's eyes. In that regard, erasing all the evil from the world through what was essentially a mass extermination was futile, because "evil" (again, depending on perspective) will live on through the element of choice. That's the significance of stating the line again--the essence of the sleeper will live on, even though it is believed that humanity has a "fresh" new beginning.

So in a way, it can be said that the sleeper is the detective, but the opposite is also true, because they are both human and both have the power of choice and thus the potential to choose a path that can be dubbed evil. So it's not a reincarnation as some people suggested, but simply a common element between the two, that's why the line is uttered by both.

Closer?


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You are obviously well educated and well spoken. That is truly the source of your torture!

Everything you have said is true and none of it is true.
By this I mean simply that all things we dwell on such as this subject will blow away like dust when we die.

The real meaning is that none of it matters.

It matters tremendously to us while we are here in this physical plane but in the instant we die, it all becomes as if it never was.

Everything you said is true and none of it matters.

Why were you planted here?  Smiley


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Perhaps I was planted here to get the question wrong? 

I was close, but I guess I got far enough into the question that I could see the trees but lost sight of the forest! It's often the case that we become obsessed with minutia while forgetting the grander scope of things--of course we are just a brief flash in the passing of time, and at the end of the day our footprint upon history will, eventually, erode to nothing.

But as I was saying, I guess it all depends on relevance and outlook. It could be said that all of our emotions are just futile objections to justify a life that is intrinsically pointless. . . but then where does that leave us? I suppose one path would be to pursue the existential; often times this path is hedonistic, as all that matters is in the moment, and things that are "in the moment" are often sensual.

On the other hand, there are people like yourself who are able to proliferate knowledge and thoughts, often times immortalizing these thoughts through media like books, or in your case, CDs. This pursuit is pretty noble if you ask me, as you can impact many people in a myriad of ways, while also enabling your words to be carried on beyond your own time on this world. Obviously there is the potential for your words to be twisted and consequently used as a tool of manipulation (mass religion ring any bells?), but I think it's important to put thoughts out there for people to digest nevertheless.

Anyway, digression aside, I admit defeat. Would I have been more correct had I not said anything at all? I guess that's the paradox of futility: if it's all pointless, why bother voicing a reply? But that's a whole other can of worms, isn't it? 
And my retort:

This is why I can understand how Cat Stevens sold all of his possessions and went to become a monk.

I still think there can be a middle ground. I enjoy the challenges of this material world and perhaps that's the secret of staying in the "game" as it were.


Matt had a “Zen” moment there when he said “Would I have been more correct had I not said anything at all? I guess that's the paradox of futility: if it's all pointless, why bother voicing a reply?”

Right, Grasshopper!

In a sense the O3 story is like a Zen parable, only longer.
I read somewhere that we are here just to fill the void. Of course my question is; “but, why?”

Matt was on target merely by taking more than one shot at the answer.

Actually, many of you hit on some of the points as there are many.

The main concept is suggested throughout the trilogy. Lines like: “10,000 years of struggle and no man’s soul was saved”, “can we all be merely fodder, some great cosmic mistake” and of course “why was I planted here” are all hinting at this.

Time after time there have been new attempts at finding a “meaning of life” and many who have searched for it have ended their search by dropping out of society altogether. In the O3 story the people involved are all different walks of life but tied together by the same theme. We are all players in some sort of cosmic “play” that has a purpose and an end to which we are totally oblivious. We have no idea why we are here but we forge ahead on a daily basis and at times make up our own reasons for continuing based solely on events of late, it seems. “For centuries your people searched for the meaning of life, believed in many different stories that might help them in their strife” (IE: Religion).
When the sleeper ponders his purpose in the beginning it is totally different than when the “Adam” character does so in the end but they share the same futility of having no control over what has happened and more importantly what is going to happen. There is also the idea that man is inherently a bumbling fool and is his own worst enemy. The bit about the aliens is intended to suggest that life is much larger than we on earth believe and probably started way before we think it did. We humans are really quite primitive. The biggest point here is that this story is intended to get you thinking.

The fact is, I wrote this story as a question, not an answer.

Don’t ask me because I’m like you, I have no clue!

I hope you all enjoy the music as much as we enjoyed creating it!

More to come.

CD

 
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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »

Eloquently stated, Charlie. 

Also, I can't wait for "more to come" 

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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2010, 03:20:17 AM »

CD - are you happy that your albums will provide you an extended mortality? (maybe not infinite, who knows).

But I think mankind will live on forever now, by the time this planet becomes inhabitable, we will have left - and who knows maybe one day we'll learn the "real" meaning of why we're planted here.

Then what? If there is no question, no persuit - I guess there's nothing left but to rock! haha.

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2010, 05:06:07 AM »

This:
Everything you have said is true and none of it is true.
By this I mean simply that all things we dwell on such as this subject will blow away like dust when we die.

The real meaning is that none of it matters.

It matters tremendously to us while we are here in this physical plane but in the instant we die, it all becomes as if it never was.

Everything you said is true and none of it matters.

Why were you planted here?  Smiley


CD
Reminded me of this:

"If there's no great glorious end to all this, if nothing we do matters... , then all that matters is what we do. 'Cause that's all there is. What we do. Now. Today."

I stole that from Angel's epiphany speech to Kate (In the tv series Angel)
I think it even matters more if there is a glorious end to all this, but we don't have a clue what that is.
It's silly getting inspired from an old vampire show, isn't it


Oh, and welcome Marlon! Sorry if activating you took a while, I was on vacation Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2010, 08:51:46 AM »

Sometimes the best quotes come from wierd TV movies!
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